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Living in Nebraska I know all about how fast the weather can change and it does scares me a bit, I will have to play it by ear. I never pulled a trailer before any advice on how to handle one on ice?

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Try to stay in front of it and don't lose control of it in places you actually have to come to a stop?

Oh, yeah, also remember that inertia can overcome mass pretty easily on the stuff and to wear a stoutly made set of pants so in the event of a 'pucker factor' event, you won't pull the upholstery off the seat.
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What's the update? Final dyno yet? Do you need me to go pick this up for you and drive it out to Nebraska? I have some free time this weekend.
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What's the update? Final dyno yet? Do you need me to go pick this up for you and drive it out to Nebraska? I have some free time this weekend.
Hi Maxwedge,

The night before I was to go up the other week Steve called me with some bad news, it turns out that the head gasket never blew instead what happen was he got too close to the water jacket when drilling out the # 4 cylinder intake. There was a very small pin hole that was leaking into the # 4 cylinder. What is surpising to me was that it went through 1 1/2 dyno's before letting go. He caught it warming up the car after the head gasket was replaced and saw it leaking with a mirror through the throttle bodies.

He took it to his weilder to fix it but he ended up chasing the crack through the valve seat. Right now the head is waiting to have new valve seat put in.

Steve is going out of town for a couple of weeks so the next target date is April 14th.

I have decided to call my Spider "Lucky"!

Here a couple of picks of the crack if you can see it. See the oval stain where the coolant ran down to the valve seat?
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Wow that sucks. Hope that welds up ok and you have no future problems with the other ports.
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Hang in There...

Can't believe all the delays/set-backs, Murray...wait....yes, I can!!

Not to worry. It'll all work out. Remember nothing worthwhile comes easy or is it nothing easy is worthwhile? Either way, you'll enjoy it that much more when it's finally done.

Just over three weeks to wait for the dnyo, eh? Oh man! How much hair have you pulled out by now?

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It's Done!!!

It's done and the finial numbers are 167 HP @ 7043 rpm and 138.9 torque @ 5712 rpm @ the wheels. This is with a 10.5 CR and stock exhaust manifold too! The stock manifold may be the cause of the torque dip at 5000 rpm but I'm ready to call it good enough and start driving it.

Bob Payton of Speedlab in Spring Grove IL. and Steve Schwitters of Advance Racing Services in Rockford IL. did a wonderful job getting that much out of an old twin cam design with 10.5 CR I believe! I really want to thank them both for all the time and effort they put into this project. We all had our ups and downs but the finial result made it all worth while. I highly recommend the both of them!

Here is the long a waited Dyno sheet and a pic of Bob and Steve I took at the Dyno.
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Finally!

Nice one Murray, on the top end!! Glad to hear all is sorted in time for the warm weather. Give her a good clean-up and wax and you're set. As always, keep us updated.

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It's done and the finial numbers are 167 HP @ 7043 rpm and 138.9 torque @ 5712 rpm @ the wheels. This is with a 10.5 CR and stock exhaust manifold too! The stock manifold may be the cause of the torque dip at 5000 rpm but I'm ready to call it good enough and start driving it. With the rev limitor set at 7,800 rpms (with 8,000 rpm being the true red line) and if I shift at 7,500 rpm I should have a nice power band to play in.

Bob Payton of Speedlab in Spring Grove IL. and Steve Schwitters of Advance Racing Services in Rockford IL. did a wonderful job getting that much out of an old twin cam design with 10.5 CR I believe! I really want to thank them both for all the time and effort they put into this project. We all had our ups and downs but the finial result made it all worth while. I highly recommend the both of them!

Here is the long a waited Dyno sheet and a pic of Bob and Steve I took at the Dyno.
Geez! By any chance do you know the advance curve vs. RPM curve for your ignition setup?

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Congrats Murray! I tried to call Steve the other day but missed him because he was at the dyno with your car. When I reached him later, he told me about the power you are making. It is VERY impressive for a 10.5 street car. Now work on those autocross skills so you can take it to the boys from Kentucky!

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Murray,

Great results!. You are coming to the AROC Convention in Detroit this summer, right?.

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It's done and the finial numbers are 167 HP @ 7043 rpm and 138.9 torque @ 5712 rpm @ the wheels...


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Nice one Murray, on the top end!! Glad to hear all is sorted in time for the warm weather. Give her a good clean-up and wax and you're set. As always, keep us updated.
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Thanks Michael, I still have a couple of little things to do before the buffing starts, the tach didn't work so I just trailer it from Rockford to the local race shop to get it fixed. Should be done by this weekend.

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Geez! By any chance do you know the advance curve vs. RPM curve for your ignition setup?
Sorry I don't

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Congrats Murray! I tried to call Steve the other day but missed him because he was at the dyno with your car. When I reached him later, he told me about the power you are making. It is VERY impressive for a 10.5 street car. Now work on those autocross skills so you can take it to the boys from Kentucky!
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Erik, You were right when you said I should listen to Steve. With his advice I gained 32 HP from the exhaust system he designed! I'll have to post the dyno sheet with the old exhaust system for everyone to see the difference.

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Great results!. You are coming to the AROC Convention in Detroit this summer, right?.
Thanks George..........Yes I am going, sent the check and form in last week but I don't know if I got it in on time for the TT? It will make a difference in how I set the car up?

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Congrats Murray. Now get out there and enjoy the fruits of your labor.

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It's done and the finial numbers are 167 HP @ 7043 rpm and 138.9 torque @ 5712 rpm @ the wheels. This is with a 10.5 CR and stock exhaust manifold too! The stock manifold may be the cause of the torque dip at 5000 rpm but I'm ready to call it good enough and start driving it.

Bob Payton of Speedlab in Spring Grove IL. and Steve Schwitters of Advance Racing Services in Rockford IL. did a wonderful job getting that much out of an old twin cam design with 10.5 CR I believe! I really want to thank them both for all the time and effort they put into this project. We all had our ups and downs but the finial result made it all worth while. I highly recommend the both of them!

Here is the long a waited Dyno sheet and a pic of Bob and Steve I took at the Dyno.
Big, big, congrats, Murray!! It really is nice to hear that your project has been completed, especially with such impressive numbers. I'm looking forward to seeing you at the convention. We are going to have a great time!

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Congrats Murray. Now get out there and enjoy the fruits of your labor.
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Big, big, congrats, Murray!! It really is nice to hear that your project has been completed, especially with such impressive numbers. I'm looking forward to seeing you at the convention. We are going to have a great time!
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Thanks, I'm looking forward to the convention too!

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