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Old 04-06-2006, 05:12 AM
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Brake Bleeding 1969 Boat Tail

Can anyone provide or direct me to a detailed procedure for bleeding the brakes on my car? Thanks,

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Old 04-06-2006, 02:25 PM
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on mine, we started at the RR wheel then LR, RF, and finally ending at the LF wheel. I was concerned we weren't doing it right since thats the way a normal singal circuit is but it worked fine. Take the wheel off, crack the bleeder open about 1/2 turn; have someone push the pedal down and hold; close the bleeder. do it repeatedly till no bubbles/spurts come out and move to the next wheel. I like to have the pedal-pusher pump the pedal a few times every once in a while to help build up a little more pressure before holding it down and opening the bleeder. When you get to the last wheel, chances are you'll have to go back to square #1 and do it again to get all the air out.
tips: put the cap back on the resevior or itll go everywhere! and check the level of fluid often and refill.
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Old 04-08-2006, 07:49 AM
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Having spent ages doing this in the past, I finally spent about £25 on a set of 'Speed bleeders' from Alfastop.co.uk. These replace the caliper bleed nipples, but have a one- way valve. You can bleed the whole system on your own and in very quick time, and with the best results- no sponginess.

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Old 04-08-2006, 07:54 AM
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I second the speed bleeders

It's a nice invention.
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Old 04-08-2006, 08:56 AM
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Is this a US '69? They came with two vacuum boosters in the engine compartment and a dual circuit MC, as well as a rear brake pressure limiting valve. All of these things can make bleeding the system a LOT more difficult than a simple single circuit car - just do a seach here on brakes and you'll get a picture. Non US '69's were single circuit.

For a dual cct, you must bleed two wheels at once - one front and one rear. Think of it as two seperate circuits with just two wheels per. The reason you must do two at once is that the MC has a floating piston that seperates the two circuits with no centering mechanism. If you just bleed one, sometimes the floating piston thinks that cct is failed and leaking, and slides ot one side, blocking it off completely. Then little or no bleeding occurs. Bleeding two at once keeps the piston centered.

The reason it sometimes works is if you only open the bleed screws a little, so there is plenty of pressure in the circuit, and only press the pedal a little (short stroke), you can keep the floating piston near the center and everything will work OK. Fronts usually work OK this way, but the rears have another problem.

It's the limit valve that gets involved. If you keep the bleed screw too tight and the rear pressure is too high, the limit valve will close and again no bleeding. Mostly just luck getting the right balance between too much pressure and not enough; my luck is almost always bad when I try so hard.

Best is with three people - one on the pedal and one at each of front and rear wheel. Open both F & R bleed screws, press pedal down and hold, close both screws, release pedal; repeat. Be sure to keep the reservoir full.

BTW - push the pistons all the way into the caliper, then bleed the line to get all the old fluid from the caliper out of the line. Then pump the caliper all the way out (without pads) to fill it with fresh fluid; then open the bleed screw and push piston back in all the way again; reinsert the pads (new ones, yes?) and pump the pistons into full contact. Then fully bleed the system. If you do this regularly, you will get fresh fluid into the caliper and avoid much of the corosion that occurs from moisture in the old fluid.

Vacuum gadgets don't work reliably because of the limit valve - sometimes it will lock the rear limiting valve (pressure differential higher on pedal side), and sometimes it sucks the floating piston off center.

Pressure gadgets on the reservoir work only if you do the dual bleed screw thing - same problems as the hand bleeding.

Just keep in mind the three key parts - MC, rear valve, caliper - and you can get a good solid pedal easily. Lots of dealers and minor alfa mechanics never got it really right, so you might be surprised at how good the alfa brakes really are.

Robert

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Old 04-08-2006, 02:55 PM
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Brake Bleeding

Thanks. My car is a US 69 Spider.
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Old 04-08-2006, 08:24 PM
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Mine is a 67 with single brake circuit, with an adjustable rear brake limiting valve in the rear line. I've always enjoyed the ease of bleeding the single circuit system. I had an Alfetta that was dual circuits and it was sooooo much more trouble!

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