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Old 10-17-2005, 06:05 PM
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Question is this spider shape correct?

it is supposedly an 1982 spider 2000, 2 webers.
but its front is correct?
and what about the overall shape of the car.
havent driven it yet, but would be nice if its OK, to buy it.

thanks in advance
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:15 PM
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The steel bumper is correct on an non-US '82 Spider, but the front spoiler looks like it's a graft from a series 3 Quad Spider. It's not original, but it doesn't look too bad, and is probably easily removed.
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:26 PM
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does the metal part of the front of the series 1 and series 2 spiders are the same?
(except for the scudetto and type of bumper)
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:38 PM
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Spider

The rear spoiler is missing too.
Look and see how well the holes were filled?
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:44 PM
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thanks dwc and keyspider,

i havenīt look at the engine numbers yet and dont know its origin.
They claim it is from 1982 but dont think so.
I have only seen that it has 2 webers and the long cilindrical air filter.
they also say that only gets 15 Mpg !, i would say it is not well tuned.
Dont know also if its a series 2 or 3.
So if its a series 2: the front spoiler is to be removed.
And if its a series 3: the rear spoiles is missing.
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Old 10-17-2005, 08:20 PM
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Check the VIN here. It should work for an 82.

http://www.analogx.com/contents/vinview.htm
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Old 10-17-2005, 08:47 PM
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That car appears to be a series 2.

A few ways you can tell from the body. The lower nose valence is present (not there on a series 3, recessed for bumpers on series 3). And the full lower panel is present behind the rear wheels (would have slots for bumpers if series 3). You didn't show a picture of the tail lights....but they are significantly different between the series 2 and 3 in regards to the sheet metal. Trunk lids are different too.

A 1982 in the US was a year of transition in regards to body style and engine management. For the US market, the 82 had a series 2 body, interior like a series 3, and Ljet injection/ignition like a series 3.

My speculation: I agree with Dean. That car appears to be correct except for the quad lower nose spoiler. The stainless bumpers, round side markers, carbs, lack of rear spoiler were correct for the non US bound 82s. I believe 83 was the first year of the series 3 spider with the foam tail, Ljets for all markets.

The metal nose on a series 1 and 2 differ significantly. Different bumpers, different sheet metal design. Series 1 has the bump in the upper nose. The car pictured is a series 2 (1971-1982).

My only concern is did they cut off the lower nose sheet metal when they stuck that quad spoiler on the front.

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Old 10-18-2005, 07:31 AM
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What I love about these photos is the universality of needing to write your name in wet cement. Also, in the one photo showing front valance with license tag, I think you can see (barely) the original sheet metal.
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Old 10-18-2005, 09:14 AM
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If the car is euro model, I think the right engine code is AR00512. You should see this followed by the engine number stamped right in front of where transmission is connected to the engine, on the passeger side (right behind the exhaust manifold of cylinder #4).

In addition to the Quad front valance, there are few things I'm not sure of their originality...

'81 and '82 Euro spiders I have seen had headlight covers... Are those illegal over there in Peru?

The side repeaters (turn signals) seem to be non-original, but you can get the original one fairly cheap.

I think that the air scoop (black plastic part) at the base of wipers seems to be from early S3 spiders (the '81 and '82 Euros that I have seen did not have it)

We would need to see more pictures to tell you if it's a good car to buy, but it looks to be a nice car!!
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Cool thank you all

lets say its a series 2 euro 1982 spider:

what changes should be done to make it a correct car?
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Old 10-18-2005, 11:51 AM
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lets say its a series 2 euro 1982 spider:

what changes should be done to make it a correct car?
The rear looks very original, except for the tailpipe. The square license plate base is for Italian plate, I think.

The things I (and other BBer) pointed out in the previous posting are very easy to get straight, so the main focus before you make the final decision is the body/mechanical condition.

Can we see some pictures of the interior?
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:33 PM
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here's a picture of a series 1 nose....and one of the round tail.
Hope this helps
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Old 10-18-2005, 02:37 PM
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The things I can make out that are wrong with the car in regards to correctness.

1. quad spoiler needs to be removed.....no cost unless paint work needed underneath.
2. grill needs to be replaced....missing a slat or two.....$250 or so
3. passenger side bumper lens missing....$40 or so
4. DS mirror missing......don't know cost
5. Incorrect tailpipe (although I like the one it has better)....$100 or so

The plastic grill on the wiper cowl is correct for at least US 82s. Rear of the car is correct for euro...including the euro bumper mounted tag lights. The car looks pretty nice exteriorly. What about the interior, the engine bay and mechanicals, and the spare tire well?

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Old 11-29-2005, 02:53 PM
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we will see

hi all,

thank you for your comments, i have decided to wait till the giulia sprint restoration ends.
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/show...395#post157395

then maybe i will rethink buying this spider, i haven't asked any further info but the owner is asking for a lot of money (as from the third world point of view).

also i dont have place in my garage and you can only drive one car at a time,
as the title says we'll see.

thanks again.
ps: i would love to have that spider....

Jose Antonio
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Old 11-29-2005, 03:01 PM
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That car appears to be a series 2.

A few ways you can tell from the body. The lower nose valence is present (not there on a series 3, recessed for bumpers on series 3). And the full lower panel is present behind the rear wheels (would have slots for bumpers if series 3). You didn't show a picture of the tail lights....but they are significantly different between the series 2 and 3 in regards to the sheet metal. Trunk lids are different too.

A 1982 in the US was a year of transition in regards to body style and engine management. For the US market, the 82 had a series 2 body, interior like a series 3, and Ljet injection/ignition like a series 3.

My speculation: I agree with Dean. That car appears to be correct except for the quad lower nose spoiler. The stainless bumpers, round side markers, carbs, lack of rear spoiler were correct for the non US bound 82s. I believe 83 was the first year of the series 3 spider with the foam tail, Ljets for all markets.

The metal nose on a series 1 and 2 differ significantly. Different bumpers, different sheet metal design. Series 1 has the bump in the upper nose. The car pictured is a series 2 (1971-1982).

My only concern is did they cut off the lower nose sheet metal when they stuck that quad spoiler on the front.

Best Regards,
John M
The cowl in front of the windshield is not a series 2. It has raised vents like a series 3.
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