My Project - Spider Veloce V8 Conversion - Alfa Romeo Bulletin Board & Forums
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 05:27 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
brockbr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Alabaster, AL
Posts: 280
My Project - Spider Veloce V8 Conversion

I am about to start my Spider Veloce conversion to a V8. Since it wonít be a pure Alfa when finished, Iím not sure if anyone here would be interested in the pictures & build process, so I thought Iíd ask.

I am starting with a pretty beaten 1985 Spider Veloce. The floors are pretty much rusted out, and the body has seen better days. I will be swapping in a small block Ford V8 with fuel injection Ė Shooting for 400hp. Behind that will be a T5 5-speed to a narrowed 8.8 rear-end.

The front end will be re-done with a tubular K-member to support a coil-over suspension. The rear will possibly be a 4-link type setup. Both front and rear will have disc brakes.

The overall intent is to be a sleeper Ė Closed hood, quite exhaust. However, my driving force is to create something of an Italian version of the 427 Shelby Cobra Ė No top, no door glass etc.

Iíve built many cars in the past and have done pictorials on them as I went. I built a 427 Cobra replica (in 8 weeks no less ), and a few others such as my daughters car.

If there is interest, Iíll post throughout the process along with pictures.

If the mere thought of defiling this Italian piece of art makes those of this forum gag, Iíll respectfully refrain
brockbr is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 06:00 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: BR, NJ
Posts: 575
While many may consider this sacrilege, I would be interested, just to see how it would be done.

Mo in NJ
mmarvi is offline  
post #3 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 07:34 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 192
YES! I definitely want to see the photos of the buildup!

Thanks

JB
JBsZ06 is offline  
post #4 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 08:32 AM
Senior Member
Platinum Subscriber
 
sono veL.O.ce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Oakland CA.
Posts: 1,114
Show us! The more stuff gets documented here the better.

'62 Giulietta spider --- '74 spider rolling chassis--- '64 Giulia Ti --- '6o's DUCATi 250cc cafe racer.

http://www.rattyti.com/
sono veL.O.ce is offline  
post #5 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 09:08 AM
Registered User
 
bigpapajoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 540
ive always been interested in building cars from scratch...how much did the cobra project cost you? how did you learn how to do that? most importantly, how long did it take?

1987 Red Spider Veloce
counting down the days 'til I can do some body work...
bigpapajoe is offline  
post #6 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 09:59 AM
Senior Member
 
JoeCab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4,009
The problem with most of these types of "conversions" is that people seldom finish what they start, leaving the car in worse shape than it started in.

Based on your previous projects, it looks like you have the talent and willpower to follow through, so I am looking forward to your photos!

Joe
JoeCab is offline  
post #7 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 10:18 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 296
I remember years ago when the Ford Falcon was fighting an advertising war with the Chevy Corvair that the Ford folks shot arrows with the weight in the usual position and with a weight near the end of the arrow, with the expected result, the rear-weighted one wavered all over the place while the front weighted one "hit a bullseye". What we have here is an arrow with the weight in the back when it was designed for the front. It'll burn but it won't turn!

[U]Dan[/U]
'65 Sprint GT..... never realized what I had
'58 Sprint Veloce..you never forget your first rebuild
'70 Spider..sold 2 weeks before the Spica died
'63 Spider Veloce ex-racer... my 2nd rebuild, died from cancer
'74 Spider Veloce...crushed by a tree-really!
'65 Spider....... you wouldn't believe how cheap I sold it

'76 Spider Veloce....thank God no emissions test needed!
'75 Norton Commando Mk.III......currently the bastard stepchild due to the spider
powerdoc is offline  
post #8 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 10:52 AM
Registered User
 
Hooligan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Dallas, USA
Posts: 1,439
Very interested to see... especially with how you deal with the rust (mine is a bit of a rust bucket)

Please post some pictures of it as it is today... should be an interesting project! These cars were never known for their speed (120hp on a good day)

1987 Spider Veloce metallic blue on tan
NEW VINTAGE CAR BLOG! ranwhenparked.blogspot.com
Hooligan is offline  
post #9 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 12:19 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
brockbr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Alabaster, AL
Posts: 280
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigpapajoe
ive always been interested in building cars from scratch...how much did the cobra project cost you? how did you learn how to do that? most importantly, how long did it take?
Cobra:
Parts = $33,000
Final Paint (100% pure show quality!): $4,500

Start to finish: 8 Weeks, 3 of which were paint

I worked 6 hours each night M-F, then 12-16 hours both saturday & sundays. You could say I was determined
brockbr is offline  
post #10 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 12:22 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
brockbr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Alabaster, AL
Posts: 280
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeCab
The problem with most of these types of "conversions" is that people seldom finish what they start, leaving the car in worse shape than it started in.

Based on your previous projects, it looks like you have the talent and willpower to follow through, so I am looking forward to your photos!

Joe
And you haven't even seen some of my more intersting projects yet - Here's pic of the final product of my ZR1 - It started life as a weathered '90 - I did all of the body work and engine work myself:




I've built many cars, and modified even more All to completion.
brockbr is offline  
post #11 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 12:24 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
brockbr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Alabaster, AL
Posts: 280
Quote:
Originally Posted by powerdoc
I remember years ago when the Ford Falcon was fighting an advertising war with the Chevy Corvair that the Ford folks shot arrows with the weight in the usual position and with a weight near the end of the arrow, with the expected result, the rear-weighted one wavered all over the place while the front weighted one "hit a bullseye". What we have here is an arrow with the weight in the back when it was designed for the front. It'll burn but it won't turn!
Interesting way of looking at it. Consider that I wouldn't build a car that won't turn Consider that I'll be using aluminum heads & intake, along with other very light components in front (alum rad etc), I'll be VERY surprised if I can't make it handle - But I do take your post as a heads up
brockbr is offline  
post #12 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 12:26 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
brockbr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Alabaster, AL
Posts: 280
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooligan
Very interested to see... especially with how you deal with the rust (mine is a bit of a rust bucket)

Please post some pictures of it as it is today... should be an interesting project! These cars were never known for their speed (120hp on a good day)
I started this morning and I'm documenting everything. I'll post pics shortly of how it started out, and what I got done today.
brockbr is offline  
post #13 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 12:56 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
brockbr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Alabaster, AL
Posts: 280
Here's some pictures of the progress today. Since I started this morning, this shows the car as it was. For the curious, I paid $900 for the car in the condition shown - I hadn't touched it until today:


Te car actually runs and drives but the clutch master is history:


The body is not in top shape either:


And the top has a few minor leaks:


Starting to take out the interior - Notice the incredible craftsmanship used when making the 6x9 speaker holes:


The floors are just about gone:


Interior pretty much removed:


While removing the interior and wiring, I was careful to pull out the computers and harness. Anyone want to buy a running 2.0 Spider drivetrain (engine, trans, rear end) along with full harness and computers (BTW, it's an FI car with AC)?


That's it for today - I'll be on the engine/trans tomorrow along with more pics.
brockbr is offline  
post #14 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-24-2005, 08:08 PM
MrT
Registered User
 
MrT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Poquoson, VA
Posts: 3,497
I'm looking forward to seeing this, too, just as an education. Is the power:weight ratio considerably different for the planned Ford power plant than for possibly more "drop-in" conversions like the 3-literAlfa V6 with a Maserati bi-turbo tranny?
MrT is offline  
post #15 of 958 (permalink) Old 09-25-2005, 05:03 AM
Registered User
 
Paradiso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Northampton, MA
Posts: 1,171
Awesome project!

I'm in awe of your skill and hard work. You've done some very nice work and I really look forward to seeing the results of this project.
This is a car that would have been left to rot behind somebody's barn. What you are doing is taking an Alfa that would have rotted away and turning it into something interesting and useful. Certainly not a purists dream but a very interesting hybrid machine!

92 Spider Veloce
71 TwinSpark Spider - Soon to be 4 Sale
Paradiso is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Alfa Romeo Bulletin Board & Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome