what is the correct Springs height?

[vangelislaz]

Asking some people about the correct size/height of a Berlina's Springs (105 type) (front-rear), took many dif answers. So, Please may I have a more official answer about this issue? I guess the height must be when the spring is free of pressing.

Another question: Looking at Brooksland Books manual about correct fitting of the rear end (below photos) it shows the "C" distance and figures the correct gaps depending the 105 type of car. So, 36 mm is far smaller figure according the measure I got from mine rear end! Does anybody knows what is going on here?

[Andrew]

I think you'd have to find the original technical specifications sheet. I have such a sheet for a Giulia Super, which lists spring length, but I've never seen them for Berlinas or other late cars.

Andrew

[vangelislaz]

Thanks Andrew. Well many part suppliers sells the same springs for Gulia/Berlina. Suppose they are the same? But then, why the differences for the mentioned "C" distance, between Gulias-Berlinas? It is 'cause of the different rear end weight?Ireally don't know. It seems that Berlianas have the most different issues between other 105's...
For instance, some say that the propshaft is exectly the same like the other 105s. Some that Berlina's propshaft is longer.

[Andrew]

No one I know of in the US sells specific Berlina or Giulia springs, especially stock height. Perhaps Dave Rugh, but his are high perf, shorter and stiffer.

I know Berlina stock rear springs are longer/stronger than Giulia, because I put some in a TI once and it sat way too high.

Yes, Berlinas have a longer wheelbase (~3" more than Giulia) and so have longer driveshaft (I forget whether the front of rear piece is different), parking brake cable, and fuel and brake lines than the other cars.

Andrew

[Alex]

Some 105 cars had an alloy spacer underneath that rubber bump stop and over the years many have vanished. Take a look at a parts book to see if yours should have one, as this will affect that clearance figure.

Alex.

[vangelislaz]

Thanks Andrew.Alex, great notice. In case that Alex notice doesn't exist, is posible to have something wrong when rear springs fitted, like wrong spacers? A different way of measuring the correct height than brooklands books mentioned? It will be clearly great help if someone tell me when you hold a Berlina's spring, the correct height of this

[Green Berlina]

Hi guys, I have a similar dilema with my Berlina 2000 as it sits low at the rear and I would like to rectify this. I have a spare pair of springs that came with the car and i'm considering fitting them just to see if they are any better. I don't see much point in measuring them against other springs when off the car/unloaded as the lengths could be the same but with a different strength/rating, the car therefore would sit at different heights once the load of the car is applied to the springs. (Never mind the length, feel the quality!!! ) I think i've read somewhere about the measured value mentioned in the first post being adjusted by using shims (presumably on the spring seats/mounts).

[vangelislaz]

Ian, yes must be the different strength/rating counts here, but then as I speak for stantard/normal springs I don't think that there are many dif options than one. Thus, must be only the unloaded height considered? From my experience, I 've seen many times "mechanics" to put everything on, or to forget shims, washers, etc, leaving us with a big question....For instance: I bought some days ago a nice Gulia 1300 ('72)fitted with a 2000 motor+lsd dif. Looked at the cylinder head somewhere near the fourth spark plug I saw one unwired sender for temperature(?). Is this correct to be there? I can't recall such a thing for a 2000 engine. Does anyone of you ever see something like this before? The engine also writes in front of the head , 2.0 and has the oil dip stick on the right side as you see the engine from the front. The only thing I can imagine ( except a ... mechanic's hand) is to have a later type of engine (alfetta, gulietta?) which I really missed.

[papajam]

For an Alfa Information Sheet that lists spring specs, please send me your email address and I'll send it to you.

vangelislaz,
What is the engine number on the 2l engine that's in your Giulia 1300?