Super/TI Comparison's

[101/105guy]

It is normal for TI Super clones.....
Not normal is forging the paperwork to make it a '63 so it qualifies for some vintage events.

[Anfanuts]

Thanks Derek & Andrew. That right-hander looks like it has red turn signal repeaters also. Another pre-October hallmark. I am "out and about" now on a bit of a walkabout in Europe. See Benjamin thread below. In Santa Margherita, Italy. Will get back to the serious studies in about 5 weeks. Doing some road testing now and testing the food, wines and beers. Amazing REAL Italian food last night. Waiting for lunch hour now. Unfortunately much of the scenery looked like the below yesterday as we did the Autopista to make good time.

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[Giulia Veloce]

For sale in The Netherlands, a very early Super.

Car was for sale this month for €17,500 and sold very quickly.
Link to original ad, buts it's removed allready.
Marktplaats.nl - Alfa Romeo Giulia Giulia 1965 Groen


But had some email-contact with the owner and he did send me some pictures:
Beautifull car, had a respray and they switched the taillights.
Also gave me chassisnr: AR*309101*., production may '65.

[101/105guy]

Beautiful !
That is my favorite color combo !

[Dr.G]

A black and yellow CA plate would set that car off nicely (and it's easier to remember).

[101/105guy]

I think that this one looks the best, but hard to show when on the road ;^)

[CarPoor]

A question for all...I have had 3 ('67) Supers, and all had the front grille with a 2 pieces. The top is attach to the hood. Is this an odd setup? (See this picture)
Thanks,
Pat

[101/105guy]

All of the first series Supers had this grille. 1965 to 1967.

[Anfanuts]

Even Randy's '68 (above) now has one!!

Only the 65-67 MY Supers had this grill. But they are pretty fragile and unobtanium and I've seen many replaced with TI grills, even with "concourse" cars . . . . . But judges here don't even usually notice . . .

[Barry Edmunds]

There were also early one piece grilles that had the centre heart section in one piece.
Like many other bits these are also in the unobtanium category
Barry

[101/105guy]

The very first 105 sedans (1600 TI) had the one piece grille, but all early Supers had the 2 piece.

[ganunez]

Lots of Super stuff but TI references on the thread not as common and since this the Ti/Super Comparisons thread while I had the car on a lift to change the trans oil (Shell Dentax) I took some pics of the underside of a 64 TI 105-08 floor shift sn 448743. (Taken with my new smartphone which I thought would be better quality since it has a Zeiss lens)

Details:
Dunlop brakes F&R still with original discs...they just don`t wear!
Dunlop master cylinder
8/41 gearbox non-moly synchros thus Dentax oil
8/41 diff
2 bolt front suspension A arms
L arm sway bar links with Gum drops bushings (I made the gum drops out of white Teflon)
Bellhousing with vestigial ears and holes for column shift. (After struggling to remove the gbox from the car several times I ended just cutting them off and taping it over with 1000mph tape, sacrilige).
Left hand thread big bronze lug nuts on left side of car. (L side I think).
I'll take more pic with a real camera

[ganunez]

The unique rear brake mechanism works just that the automatic adjuster never has. The zerk fitting broke right off while putting on the grease gun so eventually the center u-joint will have to be changed.
With the smartphone app I was able to verify the speedo is dead-nuts accurate till 70 mph after that it lags behind more and more. But on the way to the shop I was cruising at 5k sometimes hitting 5500k on the freeway for about 10 minutes and what a smooth ride, seems like the engine is just happy, BTW I can't say enough good things about these Pirreli CN36 175/70 VR 15, the side wall states for vintage car use only and they are made in Turkey, fresh rubber, really sticky when warmed up yet so predictable.
Cheers,
George

[Anfanuts]

George, you shame me; I put this in the picture thread when it should go here, so a double post (in both). Again, this is NOT my car, I just had a chance to closely inspect it. It is all stock except for the Alfetta 2L and 4.10 diff and a few small mechaincal items. B

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I ran into a nice '70 1300 TI recently. Don't see many on this side of the pond. Of the ~560k Giulia TI & Super sedans made, some ~144k were 1300 TI's made from 66-72 - about 25% ! Notably, with the 28k Giulia 1300 Berlinas and 115k Giulia 1300 Supers, slightly over 50% were 1300's!

The one I ran into had a fresh warm (10.4 Borgos) 2L and 4.10 rear end, and dual Delorto DHLA40H's. It really scoots! It was exceptionally clean, unmolested and rust-free. This specimen had single circuit Ate power assisted brakes, floor mounted pedals, and a hydraulic clutch, and a ZF steering box.

The 1300 TI (105.39) was a downscale model trim wise, besides just having the 1300 with a 5.12:
- 3 bar grill vs. five
- two vs four headlamps
- the smaller TI tail lights
- no exterior trim appointments as with most early 1600 Supers and TI's (window gutter trim, hood spear, Bollino d'Oro badge, rocker spears, and more on Bisciones)
- no underhood light
- no cigarette lighter in the ashtray
- foot pump not connected to wipers
- rubber floor mats
- no A-pillar kick panel floor vents
- Formica wood dash trim with no apparent radio cut out and no blanking plate
- black plastic around gauges and no clock, like the 1600S, oil and water incorporated into tach & speedo, fuel in the middle
- no 1/4 light winder but latches
- no brightwork around interior light switch, like the Unificata 72-74 Supers later

But it had some holdover items form the earlier, pre-MY68 TI's and Supers which are arguably nicer:
- the full front bucket seats with no center tray, 3 switches on lower left as with 65-67 Supers
- umbrella handbrake
- smaller exterior door handles
- fine fluted interior door/window handles
- this sample had the front thin profile stainless bumper (reportedly the rare "Ilea") with the profile of the early Supers but in stainless, but with the later larger boxy over-riders but with cutout to fit these (the rear was standard post 67)
- stainless steel headlamp bezels

And some features are just neutral:
- welded door hinges (like they kept a stash of TI bodies for these)
- hydraulic clutch

Other features to my eye are in-line with period Supers.
- Ate brakes with single boster

These are enchanting sedans with a Zen-like simplicity that highlights the basics - the body form and car function with no spunk - as the article above and these pictures capture. This car had some non-standard features such as window gutter/A&C-pillar trim added and some nice tweed carpet mats. As well as the drive train upgrades. This one is a wolf in sheep's clothing now.

Enjoy the tour!

[Anfanuts]

And a few more.