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I have no idea who the photographer was for the photo in post #284, which I've seen several places before, including use as an avatar, but at least they could have gotten the lower "V" centered appropriately, so it looks like the clothing fits the wearer.
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07-03-2008, 04:21 PM
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I have no idea who the photographer was for the photo in post #284, which I've seen several places before, including use as an avatar, but at least they could have gotten the lower "V" centered appropriately, so it looks like the clothing fits the wearer.
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Well From a photographers point of view I see nothing wrong with it. If the women was in a position to make the V look like it fit's well (which I do not see either), it would be a rather boring and 0 sexiness photo, therefore no point in shooting it. A straight on view would have 0 composition factors. She is portraying sexy and that is what the photographer captured perfectly.

Lets not forget I doubt they are selling clothes here. I see nothing that does not fit right and coming from a guy's point of view that is a sexy shot. No need for more.
I have had many years of formal photo training and I do not see anything wrong with it. Sorry
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07-03-2008, 04:27 PM
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but this one goes to 11..
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What women? All I see is an Alfa grill..
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07-03-2008, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Alfissimo Int.
Well From a photographers point of view I see nothing wrong with it. If the women was in a position to make the V look like it fit's well (which I do not see either), it would be a rather boring and 0 sexiness photo, therefore no point in shooting it. A straight on view would have 0 composition factors. She is portraying sexy and that is what the photographer captured perfectly.
Lets not forget I doubt they are selling clothes here. I see nothing that does not fit right and coming from a guy's point of view that is a sexy shot. No need for more.
I have had many years of formal photo training and I do not see anything wrong with it. Sorry
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Jason,
Actually, I have no objection to the post and agree that it is sexy and leaves enough to the imagination to make it attractive, somewhat illusive, and appropriate. I do not have "puritanical" views as others have indicated. They just don't know me all that well.
But having spent many an evening and days with Pat perusing slides with a loop and light table, I did learn certain things that he looked for and one of them was that a photo and its incremental parts were centered properly. If your eye draws down from the bottom side of the ring at the neckline, through the center of the cleavage, down to the "V" in the material, you will note that it is noticeably off-center. With a rounded surface or the center median area of a squared surface it would not be noticeable, but a "V" configuration is very hard to disguise it, if it's not perfect. Further, look at the right side as compared to the left side as far as material coverage, which also shows the disparity in centering. Her head is slightly turned, but her shoulders are level and not turned noticeably.
Only a comment on photographic composition not the actual product or image portrayed. I suppose, I should go buy another pair of shoes, now......I'm not really into handbags.
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07-03-2008, 05:30 PM
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Actually...
...I'm more into the "Deep - Vee" cut. 
To he..ll with the imagination. At our ages, some can only pretend to have one. 
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If your eye draws down from the bottom side of the ring at the neckline, through the center of the cleavage, down to the "V" in the material, you will note that it is noticeably off-center. With a rounded surface or the center median area of a squared surface it would not be noticeable, but a "V" configuration is very hard to disguise it, if it's not perfect. Further, look at the right side as compared to the left side as far as material coverage, which also shows the disparity in centering. Her head is slightly turned, but her shoulders are level and not turned noticeably.
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Cheryl
I believe you have a valid point.
I, myself, have dedicated many hours to studying this photo. Despite all my efforts and eye strain I have failed to quantify exactly what it is that attracts me to it. It's not the centering of the cleavage nor the size of the rounded surfaces ... perhaps it's that disparity in centering?
I have come to one conclusion regarding it, like the Mona Lisa: it is alluring.
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07-03-2008, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Alfissimo Int.
Well From a photographers point of view I see nothing wrong with it. If the women was in a position to make the V look like it fit's well (which I do not see either), it would be a rather boring and 0 sexiness photo, therefore no point in shooting it. A straight on view would have 0 composition factors. She is portraying sexy and that is what the photographer captured perfectly.

Lets not forget I doubt they are selling clothes here. I see nothing that does not fit right and coming from a guy's point of view that is a sexy shot. No need for more.
I have had many years of formal photo training and I do not see anything wrong with it. Sorry
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where can i get my girlfriend this dress?
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07-03-2008, 07:25 PM
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Haven't a clue....I'm not sure it's even a dress or a top --- it looks like it's just kind of dangling loosely. But a quick Google search shows it available in a long or short halter style dress from this site for R899. and R799. respectively:
Google Image Result for http://www.alfissimosa.co.za/secure/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/0415181565e62979af5065a47095f004.jpg
in sizes 32,34,36, and 38 in your choice of red or black.
Good luck and HTH.
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07-03-2008, 07:31 PM
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thanks for searching and posting.
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Jason,
Actually, I have no objection to the post and agree that it is sexy and leaves enough to the imagination to make it attractive, somewhat illusive, and appropriate. I do not have "puritanical" views as others have indicated. They just don't know me all that well.
But having spent many an evening and days with Pat perusing slides with a loop and light table, I did learn certain things that he looked for and one of them was that a photo and its incremental parts were centered properly. If your eye draws down from the bottom side of the ring at the neckline, through the center of the cleavage, down to the "V" in the material, you will note that it is noticeably off-center. With a rounded surface or the center median area of a squared surface it would not be noticeable, but a "V" configuration is very hard to disguise it, if it's not perfect. Further, look at the right side as compared to the left side as far as material coverage, which also shows the disparity in centering. Her head is slightly turned, but her shoulders are level and not turned noticeably.
Only a comment on photographic composition not the actual product or image portrayed. I suppose, I should go buy another pair of shoes, now......I'm not really into handbags.
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Oh Sheryl, Sheryl. I don't really care about the photo. I thought I would just try to Oh well you know? Spark some debat into this photo which it seemed to work. 
Actually no photo should be centered at all. Offcenter is way more appealing than dead center. I have never once taken a shot that was dead center. Rule of thirds.
Actually quite a nice shot, leaving enough black space on the right to make it somewhat interesting. Photo's can be interpreted anyway the person sees fit. My view is different, or the same than yours, thats the beauty of them. Just like any modern art.
All in all the photo does what it is suppose to do, entice and portray sexiness along with the brand. Just like a sexy shot of a womens leg in the left hand side of a photo showing a stiletto heal pump made by prada (yes no prada symbol in the shoe but you get my point). It 's fashion and it gets the brand across with style, thats the point. This one attracts the men and maybe the women, my example actually does both as well. Ok. anyways I may have went off the deep end but, how about we ge back to business with this post. Anyone?
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07-03-2008, 11:54 PM
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how about we ge back to business with this post. Anyone?
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I believe the dress (and possibly the picture) was sanctioned by Alfa Romeo as "official garb" at a car show. Can anyone point to the place and the year? (I'm guessing early '80s in Turin but I don't have the "Quadrifoglio" to prove it.)
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... If your eye draws down from the bottom side of the ring at the neckline, through the center of the cleavage, down to the "V" in the material, you will note that it is noticeably off-center. With a rounded surface or the center median area of a squared surface it would not be noticeable, but a "V" configuration is very hard to disguise it, if it's not perfect. Further, look at the right side as compared to the left side as far as material coverage, which also shows the disparity in centering. Her head is slightly turned, but her shoulders are level and not turned noticeably....
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It must be taken into account that the photo (2D) represent a 3D object, so imaginary vertical and horizontal lines must to be drawn in the surface of the 3D object, if you make this you would see the neckline is not so out of center.
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