04-23-2008, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by geh458
The Ventura/Oxnard area is about 50 miles northwest of Los Angeles on the coast, so lets say about 300 miles from the Bay area.
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04-23-2008, 10:52 AM
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Is VAT added to everything in the UK?
Here we have GST (Goods and Services Tax, @ 10%) that gets applied to just about everything but fuel.
The tax that is part of the fuel price is a species unto itself and is a percentage (like all tax's), so the higher the fuel companies pump the the prices up, the more the government rakes in in revenue.
It understandable, but unacceptable, why the government doesn't use it's anti-collusion laws against fuel companies who raise the cost of fuel automatically in regaurd to an apparent price rise (like public holidays), but take an age to bring it back down when the cost's actually fall.
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So when it comes to petrol we pay 17.5% plus the fuel tax duty which adds about 80% to the actual price. PLUS we pay ROAD TAX which is another minefield. For example on my S4 its around $400 US a year to drive it on the road...then of course there is insurance on that which carries a insurance premium tax.
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04-23-2008, 11:12 AM
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Playing the Devil's Advocate here: The upside to all that taxation; Last time I was in England, the roads were in excellent shape & should you crash your car, the nationalized medical system insures you'll be well taken care of for free. Here in the good ol' US, when you've hit a massive pothole in the crumbling road that subsequently throws you in a ditch, the first question anyone asks you is "do you have medical insurance?"  Better hope that you do, lest you be dropped off at the farthest, busiest, crappiest "General" hospital in the county! 
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04-23-2008, 11:52 AM
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sorry to disillusion you but since your last visit things have taken a down turn over here. Our roads are no longer our pride (estimated 3.5 million potholes on our little island) and if you do hit a pothole and get taken to one of our hospitals you have a good chance of catching all sorts of super-bugs. Check out these links; Potholes.co.uk potholes, road repairs, council highways, forums
NHS superbugs on the rise - Telegraph
I know my friends in the States always complain about the high cost of medical insurance and I agree its high. Unfortunately it seems to be going the same way here, that is if you want prompt service in a pleasant environment.
Sorry to have gone of the subject of petrol/gas cost but it does make interesting reading to see how taxes compare in our different countries!
Don't get me wrong, I think that England is a great place but I do envy the wide open spaces you have in the States. |
04-23-2008, 12:26 PM
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Short life, how is your gtv6 getting 29-30 around town? EPA suggestions were around 20 I think.
My Verde is getting around 19, and I've just replaced plugs, wires, and o2 sensor some months ago.
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04-23-2008, 01:29 PM
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OKKAAYYYY what am I missing here? Am I reading a thread dated 4 years ago?  Welcome to sunny Southern CA where soon solar panels will be mounted on the trunk lid of our Alfas to be able to afford driving them! Not only do we not get 93 good stuff, we pay $4.20 a gallon of 91 junktane
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04-23-2008, 01:31 PM
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OOPS SORRY  yes this thread IS 4 years old... I first thought the pics of gas at $2 was current....
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04-23-2008, 02:55 PM
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Well... Before I did the heads in the 164 and put some cams in I got mileage in the high 20's . Now it gets around 20-21 MPG. The 'Ol GTV-6 was around 12-15 MPG  . It ran a little lumpy 
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04-23-2008, 03:41 PM
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You guys are complaining on a very high level, aren't you.
Benzin is 91 RON, Super 95 and V-Power 100 RON. Prices are in € for per litre.
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04-23-2008, 04:31 PM
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Short life, how is your gtv6 getting 29-30 around town? EPA suggestions were around 20 I think.
My Verde is getting around 19, and I've just replaced plugs, wires, and o2 sensor some months ago.
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ive checked the MPG on it atleast 8 times in the past 2 years and its always in the same range...
someone will yell at me but i drove from tacoma to portland keeping up with a bmw m3 turbo jetta and 2 other cars...turned a 4 hour drive into a 2 hour drive ..and i STILL managed 28 mpg and we were holding speeds of 90-110+.....was MUCH fun
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04-23-2008, 04:32 PM
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Cool, they can update their prices without leaving the office!
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04-23-2008, 05:21 PM
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ive checked the MPG on it atleast 8 times in the past 2 years and its always in the same range...
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04-23-2008, 05:49 PM
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Yea as of Saturday 93 was 3.65 a gallon here in Philadelphia, I also have stopped driving my Lincoln Town Car.
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04-23-2008, 11:22 PM
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ive checked the MPG on it atleast 8 times in the past 2 years and its always in the same range...
someone will yell at me but i drove from tacoma to portland keeping up with a bmw m3 turbo jetta and 2 other cars...turned a 4 hour drive into a 2 hour drive ..and i STILL managed 28 mpg and we were holding speeds of 90-110+.....was MUCH fun |
There is something amiss in the equation; possibly your reliable Alfa electronics (speedo, speedo sender, gauge, etc.). At 90 - 110mph (which is NOT smart, but we're not talking about that yet), the car is just sucking down gasoline, just guzzling it. There seems to be after a certain speed, say around 75 - 80, that these cars just start guzzling gas. Since you have no 6th gear, your engine at those speeds would be turning 4 - 5k rpm. This is definitely not in the economical range.
Oh! Is it a hybrid conversion???
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04-24-2008, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by elite38868
BULL! At 90 - 110mph the car is just sucking down gasoline, just guzzling it. There seems to be after a certain speed, say around 75 - 80, that these cars just start guzzling gas. Since you have no 6th gear, your engine at those speeds would be turning 4 - 5k rpm. This is definitely not in the economical range.
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Heavy use of the throttle (open/close) seems to have more impact on economy than constant high speed at stable throttle openings.
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