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good god... do you get lube with that bending over at the pump?
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04-23-2008, 02:06 AM
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good god... do you get lube with that bending over at the pump?
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Just so you guys know the prediction is for a 15-18% hike by the end of the year.
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04-23-2008, 03:33 AM
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the gtv6 is getting 29-30 in town and 30-31 on the highway.....the cuda's have been mothballed till god knows when
i consider myself prepared
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04-23-2008, 05:54 AM
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While I haven't read the whole thread, you guys in the U.S. have the crappest fuel  !
What's with this 89-91 octane crap you guys get? Our lowest is poofy 92 octane! Our Premium fuel is 95 octane and the better again, 98 octane is available in most places. I have heard (I keep out of main stream media these days) of 100 octane being available.
Just for converational sake, the Australian government likes to take aproximately 40-50% of the pump price that we pay down here ($1.589Au where I am) for 95oct at the time of writing.
Is it the same in the U.S.? Our government like to try and point fingers at fuel companies left, right and centre (with good reason in my opinion) but never (EVER  !!!) draw attention to how much they are getting from pump price.
Do our Northern Hemespherian brother's and sister's have fuel price's go up religiously with public holidays like they do here in Australia?
It happens here all the time, but nothing gets done about it, despite the Governments claim to be cracking down on such illegal practices (collusion).
It's an emotional/political argument filled with all sorts of 'stories' of why it is so.......
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04-23-2008, 06:31 AM
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The UK takes a total of around 80% of the price at the pump made up of Fuel Duty tax and VAT (Value added Tax). Holiday increases are slight but they do happen with the effect that the price never comes down again! What percentage does the US goverment take?
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04-23-2008, 06:46 AM
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The UK takes a total of around 80% of the price at the pump made up of Fuel Duty tax and VAT (Value added Tax). Holiday increases are slight but they do happen with the effect that the price never comes down again! What percentage does the US goverment take?
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Here we have GST (Goods and Services Tax, @ 10%) that gets applied to just about everything but fuel.
The tax that is part of the fuel price is a species unto itself and is a percentage (like all tax's), so the higher the fuel companies pump the the prices up, the more the government rakes in in revenue.
It understandable, but unacceptable, why the government doesn't use it's anti-collusion laws against fuel companies who raise the cost of fuel automatically in regaurd to an apparent price rise (like public holidays), but take an age to bring it back down when the cost's actually fall.
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04-23-2008, 07:38 AM
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Wouldn't it be easier/cheaper to buy cheap 87 and dump octane booster in?
You guys are lucky, it's topped $3.25+ where I live.
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04-23-2008, 07:40 AM
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Let's take this to another level....
Today the price was 6.30 US$ per gallon of 98 octane here i the south of Sweden. Btw that's below the average price here.
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Oop, time to shut up 
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04-23-2008, 07:51 AM
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The Arco, Valero and Shell stations are at the traffic light at the end of the Seaward Avenue exit from the southbound HWY-101 exit in Ventura, CA. The Chevron is just a block away at the intersection of Seaward & Harbor. The Mobil station (the one I frequent the most) is 3 miles from the house in Oxnard, CA. The Mobil station has the lowest diesel price in the area at the moment, and the Chevron has the highest I've seen in the area.
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How near is that to the bay area?
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04-23-2008, 08:06 AM
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Duk,
You cannot compare US and foreign (you) octane numbers. They are not standard and do not mean the same thing.
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04-23-2008, 08:14 AM
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Is it still cheaper to buy 87 and dump octane booster in?
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04-23-2008, 08:22 AM
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While I haven't read the whole thread, you guys in the U.S. have the crappest fuel !
What's with this 89-91 octane crap you guys get? Our lowest is poofy 92 octane! Our Premium fuel is 95 octane and the better again, 98 octane is available in most places. I have heard (I keep out of main stream media these days) of 100 octane being available.
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"Measurement methods
The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the Research Octane Number (RON). RON is determined by running the fuel in a test engine with a variable compression ratio under controlled conditions, and comparing these results with those for mixtures of isooctane and n-heptane.
There is another type of octane rating, called Motor Octane Number (MON) or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed, and variable ignition timing to further stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON.
In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON, but in the United States, Canada and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, this means that the octane in the United States will be about 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the US and Canada, would be 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US (R+M)/2, and even deliver 98 (RON) or 100 (RON).
The octane rating may also be a "trade name", with the actual figure being higher than the nominal rating.[citation needed]
It is possible for a fuel to have a RON greater than 100, because isooctane is not the most knock-resistant substance available. Racing fuels, straight ethanol, AvGas and liquified petroleum gas (LPG) typically have octane ratings of 110 or significantly higher - ethanol's RON is 129 (MON 102, AKI 116) reference[1]. Typical "octane booster" additives include tetra-ethyl lead, MTBE and toluene. Tetra-ethyl lead is easily decomposed to its component radicals, which react with the radicals from the fuel and oxygen that would start the combustion, thereby delaying ignition. This is why leaded gasoline has a higher octane rating than unleaded."
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Chris,
It is not cheaper to put octane booster in. Those octane boosters are nearly a scam. I read about how their packaging makes them very misleading. If you needed to bump your octane up, you would need to buy several of those octane boosters to see any measurable difference in octane rating.
Maybe when US gas hits $10 a gallon, maybe it will actually make sense to buy octane booster.
Sean is right about the octane ratings. While CA doesn't have very high quality gas (better than CO as far as I know), it's not nearly as bad as you originally thought!
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04-23-2008, 09:32 AM
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While I haven't read the whole thread, you guys in the U.S. have the crappest fuel !
What's with this 89-91 octane crap you guys get? Our lowest is poofy 92 octane! Our Premium fuel is 95 octane and the better again, 98 octane is available in most places. I have heard (I keep out of main stream media these days) of 100 octane being available.
Just for converational sake, the Australian government likes to take aproximately 40-50% of the pump price that we pay down here ($1.589Au where I am) for 95oct at the time of writing.
Is it the same in the U.S.? Our government like to try and point fingers at fuel companies left, right and centre (with good reason in my opinion) but never (EVER !!!) draw attention to how much they are getting from pump price.
Do our Northern Hemespherian brother's and sister's have fuel price's go up religiously with public holidays like they do here in Australia?
It happens here all the time, but nothing gets done about it, despite the Governments claim to be cracking down on such illegal practices (collusion).
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Here is the States chart for Fuel taxes. The federal charge is only 18.4 cents per gallon.
Gas Taxes
So about 42 cents on the 3 Dollar and 44 cents I last payed for fuel per gallon in Massachusetts was for taxes.
Prices go up on Holidays but taxes are not increased.
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How near is that to the bay area?
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