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11-02-2006, 12:41 PM
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My Thoughts Of The New Alfa
DRIVING THE 159:
When you first start the car, you are immediately reminded you are in an Alfa Romeo. The car shares the same distinctive grunt of the 164 Quadrifoglio. When you get going, you notice the clutch has a high release, but quickly get used to it. As you accelerate through the gears the car throws down the hammer and pushes you back into your seat. Once again you get the Alfa feeling when you see the tach rise to about 4500 RPM and then scream from 4500 to red line. This wagon was the Q4 version so having AWD was really nice rather than FWD. I did not notice any torque steer while accelerating in a straight line or out of a corner. It felt real crisp all the way through. The transmission was really nice and smooth. Finding the gears and changing them was effortless. The ratios are nice and close keeping you right in the power band between up shifts while hearing the motor bellowing out its deep tone.
RIDING IN THE 159:
You get in the car and it feels like you’re sitting on your sofa, but the sporty side bolsters that are wrapped around your sides remind you that you aren’t ready to watch Fast and the Furious, but about to be in it. Shut the door and you get that nice solid sound. When you turn the key, you get a nice digital heads up display in between the speedometer and tach. Here you are told everything you need to know, operating temps, fluid levels, day, time, etc. The driver’s controls are very friendly. All the gauges and buttons are easily accessible. On the center console, you get fuel, oil temp, and water temp gauge angled towards the driver. Below that is the radio along with the a/c and heater controls. I’m 6’ and had no problems sitting in the front or back seats. The fit and finish is nice with a great combination of leather and brushed aluminum. The ride is very smooth and quiet. You go over a bump or pothole and it doesn't even phase you. When you are driving along the road, it's nice and smooth. When you wanna see the race side of it, it's ready to show you what it's got.
LOOKING AT THE 159
This car was well thought out and gives a lot of hints from Alfa’s past. The center grill is very SZ from the 60’s. The single bar grille between the lights and center grille immediately throw the early GT Jr.’s in your face. A little hump at the front of the center grille makes you remember seeing a Giulietta Spider for the first time. Open the hood and the upper part of the grille is attached to the hood as in the legendary Giulia Super. Light up the turn signals on the front fenders and you get the impression you are looking at a 6C 2500. Reach for the chrome door handle and you see yourself opening the door to the past. When you sit behind the steering wheel and look at the gauges, you see the classic dual bullets that was so commonly used in the Spider for so many years. The center console offers you a Jr. Zagato look although this time in brushed aluminum instead of stainless steel. You get three auxiliary gauges directed right at eye level so you can just glance over while you are driving just as in the Spiders of the past.
Overall, the car is a huge score for Alfa Romeo. They WILL succeed with their current line up when it shows up. If you are thinking about buying a car anytime soon, wait a little longer for the Alfa. I know for a fact, we will be placing orders for a few of them when they are released. The one thing that’s best about this car is that it makes you  . You look at it and you  , you sit in it and you  , you put the pedal to the floor you  , you think about the car you  , you know one day Alfa will return to the US with a fleet of its best products yet you almost want to  .
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11-02-2006, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by The Door
Rather discuss the fact that it has not been designed as a RWD in the first place...
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Ahem,
you can actually change it to RWD if you were that big of a purist. All that really needs to be done is remove the front cv joints, plug those holes, and enjoy.
There's a company that does it for the mitsubishi evo
-Maybe Alfa will sell a 'performance version' with no cupholders, and the basic higher class one will come with them as an option
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11-02-2006, 01:47 PM
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Doesn't look like no GTV to me 
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11-02-2006, 02:47 PM
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Finally a car I can buy and love to drive to haul the dog around in the back. The BMW is getting pretty boring ...
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11-02-2006, 02:49 PM
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I'm really anxious to know how Mr. Anthony got his hands on that car as well.
Anyone agree that the new V6 looks kinda stupid compared to the beautiful 3.0 they've been placing in the FWD Alfas since the late 80's? Where are the gorgeous intake runners?? Could that intake plenum be plastic, or just really cheasy looking metal?
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11-02-2006, 02:49 PM
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Thanks for the review, Anthony. I'll be looking forward to the day when Alfa dealerships open up and I can actually drive off in a new one.
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11-02-2006, 03:11 PM
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I think the biggest problem here in the US will be getting the price down to the level of it's competition. The 159 with the 3.2 V6 and AWD runs around $50,000 in Europe.
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11-02-2006, 03:17 PM
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Hey Toto, why and how is this car here, thats what i want to know.....
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11-02-2006, 03:18 PM
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UK prices:
Alfa 159 3.2 JTS Q4 UKP29,000
BMW 325i M Sport Wagon UKP29,000
I do not know about the exact options, but BMW seems to be a little less generous when it comes with included options.
The 330i wagon is about 10% more. I didn't see a price for a 330xi wagon. My guess is the 330xi wagon will be about 20% more than the Alfa.
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11-02-2006, 03:31 PM
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Sounds reasonable enough to me! I dont believe alfa will have a very hard time selling these beautiful cars.
Grant is right about the intake runners, they dont look nearly as nice as the 164s do! When I saw the engine bay I immediately wondered if the plastic just covered some equally good looking intake runners 
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11-02-2006, 03:33 PM
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An entertaining review by TopGear's Jeremy Clarkson on the 159 4 banger.
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...1920_2,00.html
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11-02-2006, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by The Door
Ok, let me put it this way...drinking and driving don't go together...
Drink first than drive...you dont need the ****ing cup holder.
If we are too short sighted to not buy an alfa because of a stupid (I can spell that out...  ) cupholder, well then we don't deserve them...
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I like your analogies. However, when you're in an Alfa event and it's hot, you need water. You don't have time to stop 40 cars just so you can have your cake(water) and eat(drink) it too. No, it's more logical to have cup holders. What kind of drinking do YOU do?
If we are too shortsighted to understand the economics of Alfa surviving in the U.S, then it just won't. Companies need to adjust accordingly per country.
I really like Alfa FWD. I think the 164 was one of the best FWD handling cars of its time. If I really want RWD action, I hop in the spider/gtv/gtv6.
PS- DD's aren't what they're cut out to be...
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11-02-2006, 03:58 PM
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Am I the only one wondering what it was doing in the States?
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11-02-2006, 03:59 PM
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I hope they get rid of that "Phaser" junk on the engine. Makes it sound like some sort of megazoid.
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1987 Spider Quadrifoglio Verde
1986 Spider Veloce
1990 VW Corrado G60
1994 164 Quadrifoglio Verde
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11-02-2006, 04:18 PM
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Am I the only one wondering what it was doing in the States?
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Fiat always brings cars here for testing through their facility in Michigan. It is unusual, however, for them to loan them out to a magazine or a company like consumer reports this much before they are available to the general public.
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