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Buy you have to tip your hats Henry Ford style to Alfa on engine design. I did not realize they were using 4 valve heads on their radials back in the 30's. Thats pretty amazing stuff. Just check out that piece of art that some would call the exhaust manifold . That would make any good plumber stay up late at night!
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The person responsible for Alfa airplane engine development as well as their race cars and engines was Vittorio Jano who had Hungarian origins. When the racing effort came short of results before the war, his responsibility was reduced to the airplane engines which had very high priority before the war. That such a great capacity as Jano had the responsibility of developing all Alfa engines could explain why Alfa engines were so great in that period.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:18 AM
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The person responsible for Alfa airplane engine development as well as their race cars and engines was Vittorio Jano who had Hungarian origins. When the racing effort came short of results before the war, his responsibility was reduced to the airplane engines which had very high priority before the war. That such a great capacity as Jano had the responsibility of developing all Alfa engines could explain why Alfa engines were so great in that period.
I don't think our radials made 2,000+ horses until years later, if I recall. Amazing stuff!
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The person responsible for Alfa airplane engine development as well as their race cars and engines was Vittorio Jano who had Hungarian origins. When the racing effort came short of results before the war, his responsibility was reduced to the airplane engines which had very high priority before the war. That such a great capacity as Jano had the responsibility of developing all Alfa engines could explain why Alfa engines were so great in that period.
Janos Viktor was a great engineer, and yes...he WAS of Hungarian descent, just like Gabor and I.
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Greetings Alex, you are right of course.
Üdvözöllek! Gondoltam hogy te is magyar származásu vagy, de most tudtam meg biztosan. Lehet egy kicsit büszke lenni hogy a hires Jáno tényleg magyar származású volt, vagyis a szülei magyarok voltak és olaszországba kivándoroltak és ott született a Viktor/Vittorio.

Comancheflyer: If you are fascinated by Alfa history I can recommend reading the books about the Tipo 33 and the Alfetta 158/159 story. Especially the latter is highly entertaining about the construction og the Alfetta race car at the factory and at Scuderia Ferrari. Also about the turmoil of war when the racers were hidden in the alps in a former cheese factory

Here facts about the Alfa V6 and the final end of production, ending with one of their constructor´s final days at the same time.

Alfa Romeo V6 engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 08-06-2009, 12:59 PM
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Greetings Alex, you are right of course.
Üdvözöllek! Gondoltam hogy te is magyar származásu vagy, de most tudtam meg biztosan. Lehet egy kicsit büszke lenni hogy a hires Jáno tényleg magyar származású volt, vagyis a szülei magyarok voltak és olaszországba kivándoroltak és ott született a Viktor/Vittorio.

Comancheflyer: If you are fascinated by Alfa history I can recommend reading the books about the Tipo 33 and the Alfetta 158/159 story. Especially the latter is highly entertaining about the construction og the Alfetta race car at the factory and at Scuderia Ferrari. Also about the turmoil of war when the racers were hidden in the alps in a former cheese factory

Here facts about the Alfa V6 and the final end of production, ending with one of their constructor´s final days at the same time.

Alfa Romeo V6 engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Guess I have to check Amazon and see if these are available. I have Fusi's book and thats an amazing reference in itself. I would like to read more about their aircraft engine development, bit I'm sure thats made of the well known element unobtanium.
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The person responsible for Alfa airplane engine development as well as their race cars and engines was Vittorio Jano who had Hungarian origins. When the racing effort came short of results before the war, his responsibility was reduced to the airplane engines which had very high priority before the war. That such a great capacity as Jano had the responsibility of developing all Alfa engines could explain why Alfa engines were so great in that period.
And look how easy it is to adjust all 72 valves
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Greetings Alex, you are right of course.
Üdvözöllek! Gondoltam hogy te is magyar származásu vagy, de most tudtam meg biztosan. Lehet egy kicsit büszke lenni hogy a hires Jáno tényleg magyar származású volt, vagyis a szülei magyarok voltak és olaszországba kivándoroltak és ott született a Viktor/Vittorio.
Gabor, my Magyar is pretty rusty, but I think I understood the bulk of your text. My family came from the Eger area by the way.

Vittorio Jano was born as János Viktor (Janos was his family name) on 22 April 1891. He committed suicide on 13 March 1965. He worked as an Italian automobile engine designer from the 1920s through 1960s. He was born in San Giorgio Canavese, in the Piedmont region of Northwestern Italy, to Hungarian immigrants, who had arrived there several years before his birth.

He began working with Alfa Romeo in 1923, where he designed the winning but dangerous Alfa Romeo P2. Jano also designed the 1750 Sport and P3. He began designing aircraft engines, but his race engine designs went on to win many races for Enzo Ferrari's young Scuderia, as Tazio Nuvolari won the German GP at the Nürburgring in 1935 in an Alfa Romeo P3. Then, Enzo had Jano develop the Alfetta in 1937. Remaining in the aircraft engine design business during the war, by 1945 Jano went to work developing Lancia's racing effort. His Lancia D50 first raced in 1954, but with the disastrous 1955 season, which saw the death of Ascari in one of his designs and the Le Mans accident which killed many spectators, Lancia quit racing. Luckily, Enzo Ferrari hired Jano. While with Ferrari, Jano's V6 and V8 engine designs were the envy of all. The descendants of his original Ferrari V8 continues to be used today.

After the death of his son in 1965, Jano became very depressed and also got quite ill. With failing health and depression haunting him, he committed suicide in Turin that same year.

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Eger, been there, a nice Wine district with lot of history. Myself I am from Budapest.

Here you can further test your hungarian as Vittorio Jano is listed among famous hungarian engineers. His family name was János/Jano. Would be interesting to read his comprehensive biography. Here links on the net.

.....:::::LÓERŐ online:::::.....

And in english:

Grand Prix Hall of Fame - Vittorio Jano - Biography

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Here are some shots of the 1600 out of my Duetto. Did the rebuild six or seven years ago. The last shot is how it looks today.
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Just beautifull !
My '66 Duetto was the same "two tone" before it became all white.
Did you do the engine bay white on purpose ?
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Hi Randy,

Thank you. No, I wish I could say that I left it that way on purpose. The car was white and I had just finished having the left side paint touched up and doing the rebuild when a few months later someone backed into the drivers door. I always wanted it to be red, so I kicked in the cash to do the color change and their insurance paid for the repairs. I couldn't bring myself to pull the motor and do it all again. Sometimes I do regret it.

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Here are some shots of the 1600 out of my Duetto. Did the rebuild six or seven years ago. The last shot is how it looks today.
Awesome looking engine Greg. Wow! is all I can say. I'm sure, you've spent hard earned hours to get it this way. Congrats.
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Have posted the engine before but have doone some changes to the engine bay with the remote oil pressure sender's (aftermarket and stock on either side of the coolant tank), new expanded vacuun manifold (thing with all the black tubes going to it) and a remote fuel pressure gauge (behind the engine) that was a side product of changing out the fuel pressure regulator.

Not your typical S-4 Spider engine bay........................Eats White Kentucky Spiders for lunch!!!
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Who can follow that? what the heck, I bit the bullet and bought one..
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