11-21-2005, 03:18 PM
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Here'a shot of the car before stripping should anyone out there have photos of this car in that race.
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11-21-2005, 03:22 PM
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Anthony,
I am not sure it is 100% verified this is the # 3 car?? Now from the pictures you post I see 2 DIFERENT # 3 cars.
The "Mexico" car as it is now called, is a GTA JR. (from serial #) that aparently had the front end changed as well as the door handles so that it could be campainged as a later or more modern car.
From the 2 # 3 cars it might be the one in the black and white picture, definetly NOT the orange car (color picture).
So I am not really sure it was the wining # 3 car................... Did I just confuse myself even more 
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11-21-2005, 04:01 PM
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Anthony,
I am not sure it is 100% verified this is the # 3 car?? Now from the pictures you post I see 2 DIFERENT # 3 cars.
The "Mexico" car as it is now called, is a GTA JR. (from serial #) that aparently had the front end changed as well as the door handles so that it could be campainged as a later or more modern car.
From the 2 # 3 cars it might be the one in the black and white picture, definetly NOT the orange car (color picture).
So I am not really sure it was the wining # 3 car................... Did I just confuse myself even more |
You confused yourself more...
From talking with a lot of people Horst raced two GTA's before switching over to the GTV for 1971-1972.
His first GTA is the rhd one Paul Spruell now has. It started off red and in 1966 and then later on had the white/red paint with the blue stripe down the middle.
His second GTA was a lhd car, which started off as a GTA Jr. That's the car he won the 1970 Trans Am Championship with. In late 1970, a 4 headlight nose was grafted on the car so it looked like what was being sold at the dealers. I have pictures of the car racing at Riverside 1970 like this.
His third car was the orange GTV (1971) which was painted blue in (1972). This car is now in Michigan.
He could have very well driven more cars than this, but these seem to be the three cars he primarily drove.
Now if only Horst would join the board and clear this all up! 
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11-21-2005, 05:05 PM
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Do you have the Riverside picture??
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11-21-2005, 07:44 PM
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I find it interesting that the BMW in the picture is running with full fender flairs but the GTA's and GTAM's were (I have been told) not allowed to use the larger flairs in the very early 70's.
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11-21-2005, 08:22 PM
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Do you have the Riverside picture??
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Yes, I have two color pictures of the car at Riverside in 1970 that show it having a later nose, GTAm flares, red paint, and #3. There is even a date stamped on the pictures. Bernie emailed me last week for my phone number but never called me. I'll scan the pictures this weekend and post them on this thread.
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11-21-2005, 08:24 PM
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I find it interesting that the BMW in the picture is running with full fender flairs but the GTA's and GTAM's were (I have been told) not allowed to use the larger flairs in the very early 70's.
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A lot of people say what you have been told, but when you look at pictures, quite a few Alfa's had some sort of flare whether they were the GTA rear wheel arches, GTAm flares, or even reshaped metal as seen on the 71-72 Wetson cars.
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11-21-2005, 09:07 PM
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Re: Tire clearance on TransAm GTAs... We pounded the s**t out of the INSIDE rear wheel wells with a 4 pound sledge hammer in order to run the then current "8 inch" Goodyear "Blue Streak" slicks... (Note: these tires had an actual 9.22" contact area). The Autodelta-supplied aluminum rivet-on rear flares were fine for the outer clearance (not GTAm). We did not run spacers. The front wheel well arches required the application of a small (say 1.5 inch) tube to be "rolled" around the tires to prevent rubbing on the fenders... the tires DID rub the suspension on the inside at extreme lock, which was not a problem on the track.
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11-21-2005, 10:31 PM
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Jim Baker in his GTA at Sebring in 1967
Two unknown GTA's sometime in the late 1960's
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11-21-2005, 10:36 PM
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Here'a shot of the car before stripping should anyone out there have photos of this car in that race.
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Here is a set of pictures of the same car from when it was literally pulled out of a barn a couple years ago.
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11-22-2005, 03:25 AM
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Bernie emailed me last week for my phone number but never called me. I'll scan the pictures this weekend and post them on this thread.
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Oh boy! Are you readfy for some SERIOUS history talk. Bernie is the man to talk on history, specially on his cars! You'll have a blast on the phone with him. I bet he has not called because he has not made a 3-4 hour gap in his very busy schedule!
I'll be in Mexico this weekend and will bring back some more stuff for his car, original stuff that came with the car.
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11-22-2005, 05:51 AM
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Who knows much about Horst Kwech? Apparently he is Australian and moved to the US at some stage. I have no idea if he ever raced here, in fact, unless you're an Alfa nut, nobody here seems to have heard of him! Of course WE all know of his legendary Alfa exploits. Can somebody please shed some light his background?
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11-22-2005, 06:32 AM
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Vince- Kwech is very famous in the Alfa crowd here in the states. Starting with Alfa in Trans Am, he actually moved on to Mustangs in the late 60's before returing to Alfas in the 70's. I would post more details, but my references are at home, and that's just off of memory.
Joe- can you post the article that was on the alfacentro site a while ago? That was a good one.
All- this thread is INCREDIBLY interesting. Anyone have thoughts about compiling it all into books? Alfa coupes- the Trans Am years. Perhaps our Euopean friends can add some more info, include touring cars. Add in people from South Africa, Austrailia, and South America, there are some very interesting Giulia GT, GTVs, GTA,... from '65-'75 or so.
I would buy that book without thinking.
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11-22-2005, 12:43 PM
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Jim Baker in his GTA at Sebring in 1967
Two unknown GTA's sometime in the late 1960's
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Anthony, do you know the whereabouts of these 2 pics and can you speculate on the S/N of the Baker #37 and other car Red #9. There is a drivers name on the side. If Harrisaon Ford can get a serial number off an artificial snake scale in a reflected image in the movie Blade Runner surely some one can ID the Red Car's driver. I see the Red one is carrying a BS so maybe this was a club racer??
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11-22-2005, 03:15 PM
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Horst battling it out with John Morton at Laguna Seca in 1971
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The Laguna Seca Story
The original schedule for 1971 did not show Laguna Seca. This race was added after the Kent (WA) race was canceled. The story is that Peter Brock, owner of the BRE Datsun team, approached Laguna Seca managment with a Datsun backed guarantee to buy $6,000 (typical 2.5 purse) worth of tickets if they would add a 2.5 race to their scheduled Can-Am race. It seems as if the cancellation of the Kent race put the Datsun team out of the championship points race and they needed another race to have a chance to win.
A tight points race would mean a high probability of a great race. And it was. There was enough "rubbing" to bring tears of joy to a NASCAR fan. This included one hard hit by Kwech on Morton that almost put Morton out at the corkscrew. As the race progressed the Datsun made its only pit stop for fuel but the Alfa did not stop and Morton was now far behind Kwech's Alfa. The Alfa did not stop for fuel as the car had a problem with their track side fueling location and the SCCA would not allow them to refuel the car unless the filler was changed to a pit side location. The Alfa team didn't change and therefore could not stop for fuel. Kwech ran out of fuel just after he took the checkered flag for what appeared to be a win.
Not stopping for fuel had raised a few eyebrows and attracted the interest of the tech inspectors. When Kwech's fuel tank was tested for its capacity it was found to slightly over 18 gallons. The rules provided that the maximum capacity was 15 gallons, clearly Kwechs fuel tank was illegal. He was disqualified and Morton was promoted to the winner which allowed Datsun to win the Manufacturers Championship.
source: http://bsedan.org/hist25.html
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