Alfa's In Trans Am

[PAUGNUT1275]

Hi
I guess that the first post with photos worked. I'll send a couple more tonight to keep the thread running. These are also from 67 Marlboro. I have to credit Pete Luongo for these Marlboro photos. He asked me not to publish them for profit, so to speak. I hope that this doesn't break our agreement. If anyone wants to use them for another purpose, other than these discussions, you will need to ask his permission, I believe. More to come.
KG

[PAUGNUT1275]

Me Again,
I cropped the #1 car photo to just the hood, so you can compare it to my actual hood from 752573. Compare these to the large photo of #3 for reference.
See what you guys think, but I believe that my hood is the same as the #1 car.
KG
PS
It does appear that the rivets are not in the same place, but I imagine the the discs have been removed several times for stripping and paint. I will have to remove the rivets at some point, but I think that there are several sets of rivet holes surrounding the original pin hole.

[Wil Painter]

Keith:
Marlboro was my home track back then, good memories.
Talk about different safety standards in those days, the track wound back & forth such that opposing traffic was separated by only a narrow grass divider. Note the upper photo in the first post on this page, you see the pace lap cars coming at you with stragglers in the top right and a course worker, all going in different directions with no barriers in between.
Wil

[alfettish]

gtreat photos

[PAUGNUT1275]

Hi
There have been several mentions of the green GTA that Kwech drove at Sebring. He told me that they only used it once and then sold it to Harry T.
The first image is from a 1968 SCCA magazine, probably May68. I can't find the original right now, so I scanned a copy that I made previously. Note the placement of the trunk hold down pin/disc and the Monza filler. Then see the photos of the car, Harry T. and mechanic{Arnie}. Note the trunk pin and the plate riveted over the Monza cap hole in the trunk lid. I think that the trunk pin was offset to the left to clear the GTA script. The trunk pin on my car{752573} is offset the same way. I was given copies of these photos a couple years ago, by Arnie.{Can't remember his last name, right now.}
The same car, I think, later shows up in white, although it might be a different car. It is pictured in one or the other books. I have a small photo of it which I added after the green pictures.
KG

[PAUGNUT1275]

Hi
This next photo came from Jim Hayes website. I think that he took the photo at the 67 Sebring. It is the #35 car which shows up in the pit lane photo previously posted by Wil Painter. In the pit lane photo, I see that #34 has the fuel filler like the #3 Kwech car for the rest of the year. So I figured that the #35 car was mine, but then I recently looked at the hood pin discs and it doesn't match the placement in the #1 car photo from Marlboro. So I'm still confused!!
See also photos from the VIR site from the summer of 68. This is 752573 after it was sold off to Ed Prutton at the end of the 67 season. He raced it for 2 years and then it went to Wilbur Pickett for 70-71, then to Mecca from 72-89, then to me.
KG

[kengta]

Hey Kieth thanks for coming "out" and contributing what you have figured out about your GTA 752573. I enjoyed the photo contribution and the ownership chronology. It answers some questions I had about the pre Mecca ownership of your GTA.

In the series of photos of the Green #82 the second photo shows a CS for C-sedan? on the door. Any comment. I seem to remember a pic of Harry T leading the pack at a SCCA runoff in a RHD C-Sedan.

Regards

Ken

[PAUGNUT1275]

Hi Ken and other interested folks,
Harry T used the same chassis and switched motors between 1300/1600 for CS/BS. Don Breslauer who lives locally to me worked for Milestone Garage in Wilton. Ct. It was a gas station/garage owned by Marvin Davidson. They took care of Harry T's cars and eventually prepped the Porsche 911 that Tony A-Z ran in the 69-70 seasons. Don, Mac Tilton and Arnie[possibly others] all worked there at various times. Don said that they often switched engine back and forth for HarryT. At one time I thought that he would run two classes on the same weekend, but I'm not sure if that is actually true.
On another topic, back in October 07 in post331, you posted entry lists for Lime Rock 67 TA. Monty Winkler is listed in the "62" because Mark Donohue had claim to "6". Is this the famous#62 that is pictured as a wreck at Knauz? If so, my car 752573 may not have gone into service until after the wreck, which would explain the Sebring pit lane photo. I think that the "1" car at Marlboro is mine, but not the #35 at Sebring. Later in the year, on the west coast, there is another anomoly. In those rear end photos of the two cars{#3and#6}, the rear trunk hardware and trim changes between Crows Landing and Riverside. I figured that there was either damage or a different car was introduced. also, at some point late in the season, Monty Winkler stops driving and only Kwech shows up in the results. Did they run out of cars? More confusion.
Keith
PS, I'll post the rear end pictures tonight.

[kengta]

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Originally Posted by PAUGNUT1275 Hi Ken and other interested folks, Harry T used the same chassis and switched motors between 1300/1600 for CS/BS. Don Breslauer who lives locally to me worked for Milestone Garage in Wilton. Ct. It was a gas station/garage owned by Marvin Davidson. They took care of Harry T's cars and eventually prepped the Porsche 911 that Tony A-Z ran in the 69-70 seasons. Don, Mac Tilton and Arnie[possibly others] all worked there at various times. Don said that they often switched engine back and forth for HarryT. At one time I thought that he would run two classes on the same weekend, but I'm not sure if that is actually true. Keith PS, I'll post the rear end pictures tonight.

[PAUGNUT1275]

Hi
No, unfortunately, at the moment I don't know much about the Green car. It was prepped by Knauz/Kwech for the 68 season, so it must be one of the cars that came thru them. Harry T lives in Florida, but apparently has little or no interest in discussing all the old racing stuff. Here is another photo from the Friedman book. It shows Marve Davidson taking to Tony A-Z, with the white Harry T GTA in the background.
Keith

[Weberoni]

Keith,

If memory serves me correctly, Harry's car does not have a serial number. It is one of two that were constructed by Ausca from the bodies ordered from ARI. I last saw the car in John Murphy's ownership. He had asked me about the car. You might check with Tim Ritter to see what happened to it.

[PAUGNUT1275]

Hi
I hadn't been to John Murphy's in a long time. When you saw it, was it a complete car?
Are there pictures of it anywhere online, in it's present condition?
I haven't spoken to Tim Ritter in a long time. Is he on the BB, or does anyone have contact info for him?
Keith

[CanAmBob]

Just got this photo from Tom Blank. I have no idea of the date but it is probably Elkhart Lake.

Anyone know who owns these cars now?

Bob

1965 RHD GTA Corsa Ex Horst Kwech 1966 Trans-Am and B-Sedan Champion

[kengta]

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Originally Posted by Weberoni Keith, If memory serves me correctly, Harry's car does not have a serial number. It is one of two that were constructed by Ausca from the bodies ordered from ARI. I last saw the car in John Murphy's ownership. He had asked me about the car. You might check with Tim Ritter to see what happened to it.

[PAUGNUT1275]

Hi
I've scanned the two rear end shots to show the differences between Continental Divide in August to Riverside 3 weeks later, with Crows Landing in between. The first photo is a montage of different sized photocopies. Note the fuel filler differences between #3 and #6. Also, both cars seem to have a hood pin disc just left of the central green stripe. It is hard to see on the 6 car because of grain. Then look at the second photo which is Riverside. This comes from the Friedman book if you want a better look. The #6 car is much the same, but the #3 car looks a lot different. The hood pin disc is gone, the trunk is held down with Terry springs, there is a Chrome license plate frame and the Quadrifoglio sticker is gone. My guess is that there was accident damage to the #3 car after Crow's Landing. Both cars finished Continental Divide, but Kwech's car didn't finish Crow's Landing. New tail panel and trunk lid, perhaps? Was anyone there or have more photos? At Riverside, Kwech and Winkler share one car and Del Taylor is listed in the other. In the Riverside photo, Kwech's helmet is visible in the #3 car, so it may be Del Taylor driving the other. Of course, you never know if photos were taken during practice or the actual race. Confused yet? I am, after staring at this stuff for 5 years.
Keith