Alfa's In Trans Am - Page 25

geneo · #**361** (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 10:04 AM

I believe you have all seen this one before, but here it is again. I didn't take the picture of course, I was there, crewing for Charlie. Last race for that car, and his last pro race.

geneo

**kengta** · #**362** (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 02:34 PM

Following is a series of scans of B/W pictures graciously given to me by a now unknown Alfisti at a Meadowbrooke/Waterford Hills, Michigan event many years ago. If you are out there please make yourself known to me.

The information I give is generally from information written by the photographer onto the back of the B/W prints. I have tried to figure out the correct chronological order but that could be debated.

Some of these have also appeared earlier in this thread. There are some detail on my prints that are lost in the scanning process.

First 2 are are the start of the Sebring event.

Next 3, 4, 5 are the start of a pit stop for #35. 4th pic shows Zeccoli driving

**kengta** · #**363** (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 02:37 PM

End of pit stop for #35 . Second pic shows in helmets, from left, De Adamich and Zeccoli.

**kengta** · #**364** (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 02:43 PM

Start of Pit stop #36.

Picture 2 shows Gus Andrey and Don Black in dark glasses on right
Pic 3 has Rindt in Helmet
Pic 5 has from left, De Adamich, Chiti, Rindt, Terchmann (Dunlop), Capaaletti

**kengta** · #**365** (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 02:51 PM

End of pit stop #36 Rindt.

**kengta** · #**366** (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 02:59 PM

First picture- Paul Richard, driver GTA 752507, Race #42, Finished 3rd in class.

Second Picture- from left Gus Andrey, Horst Kwech, Don Black. Andrey/Kwech were on GTA 752648, Race #40, Finished 4th in class.

Third Picture- RHD GTA #4?, either 752507 or 752648, coming into pit.

"and thats all there is"

ciao

Ken

alfafredly · #**367** (**permalink**) 01-10-2008, 03:49 PM

Great pictures love the fact that we can see some of these famous(to us) people in action. Keep em coming......

Grant · #**368** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 06:27 PM

Does anyone know why the Alfa racers decided to use soft-ish spring rates when compared to the 510's of the era? It seems as if they were losing out on extra cornering grip unnecessarily..

**jrclem** · #**369** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 06:43 PM

The early (pre-1971) Auto Delta GTA's had a very low rear roll center with a sliding block pivot point that put the theoretical R-C under the pavement... using the crappy Dunlop tires (pre-Goodyear Blue-streaks) [btw: all these were bias belted...) The soft big leaners put more rubber to the road. The MUCH stiffer Datsuns & BMWs had IRS and, while the bodies didn't roll as much, if you study the pix you will find that the tire contact patch at the rear is not so different.
With the much stiffer sidewall Goodyears in '71 we all went to a higher rear pivot and stiffer springs... this development continues to today with shock settings, tires, pressures, sway-bars and ride hight all making substantial handling contributions. Test, test, test!

vintage prep · #**370** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 07:45 PM

Ehh, I think the Sliding Block Pivot is the roll center in the rear. The front roll center geometry may well have been below the track surface.

PAUGNUT1275 · #**371** (**permalink**) 01-11-2008, 09:08 PM

Ok, since no one has outed me yet[No not that way}, I will reveal the secret identity of the owner of AR752573. I am Keith Goring, of Alfas Unlimited in Ct. I have owned 752573 since 1989, when I bought it from Mecca Development. They used it in SCCA racing as a test bed for the Accusump oiling system. It has taken 15 years of tracking previous owners to determine that it was one of the 67 season Kwech/Winkler Tri-colored cars. It is most likely the #6 Monty Winkler car, but it appears that they switched drivers frequently. We are comparing small details in old pictures to tell the #3 and #6 cars apart. They used different #'s at different tracks, but the Tri-color paint scheme remained basically the same, during the 67 season. It is under restoration to the 67 season color scheme. I'll post some photos as we go along. I'm trying to get used to the way things work on the BB. As I frequently tell my son, who knows everything: "I'm old and stupid!", so it may take awhile to figure out posting photos.
Keith

**jrclem** · #**372** (**permalink**) 01-12-2008, 08:05 AM

Paul:
Correctamundo! I meant that the whole car {front + rear} roll center was underground... when you do get sideways at high speed in dirt in one of these things it's almost always the FRONT that digs in and starts the rollover, just my observation...

**CanAmBob** · #**373** (**permalink**) 01-12-2008, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAUGNUT1275

Ok, since no one has outed me yet[No not that way}, I will reveal the secret identity of the owner of AR752573. I am Keith Goring, of Alfas Unlimited in Ct. I have owned 752573 since 1989, when I bought it from Mecca Development. They used it in SCCA racing as a test bed for the Accusump oiling system. It has taken 15 years of tracking previous owners to determine that it was one of the 67 season Kwech/Winkler Tri-colored cars. It is most likely the #6 Monty Winkler car, but it appears that they switched drivers frequently. We are comparing small details in old pictures to tell the #3 and #6 cars apart. They used different #'s at different tracks, but the Tri-color paint scheme remained basically the same, during the 67 season. It is under restoration to the 67 season color scheme. I'll post some photos as we go along. I'm trying to get used to the way things work on the BB. As I frequently tell my son, who knows everything: "I'm old and stupid!", so it may take awhile to figure out posting photos.
Keith

**GTA # 14** · #**374** (**permalink**) 01-12-2008, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAUGNUT1275

Ok, since no one has outed me yet[No not that way}, I will reveal the secret identity of the owner of AR752573. I am Keith Goring, of Alfas Unlimited in Ct. I have owned 752573 since 1989, when I bought it from Mecca Development. They used it in SCCA racing as a test bed for the Accusump oiling system. It has taken 15 years of tracking previous owners to determine that it was one of the 67 season Kwech/Winkler Tri-colored cars. It is most likely the #6 Monty Winkler car, but it appears that they switched drivers frequently. We are comparing small details in old pictures to tell the #3 and #6 cars apart. They used different #'s at different tracks, but the Tri-color paint scheme remained basically the same, during the 67 season. It is under restoration to the 67 season color scheme. I'll post some photos as we go along. I'm trying to get used to the way things work on the BB. As I frequently tell my son, who knows everything: "I'm old and stupid!", so it may take awhile to figure out posting photos.
Keith