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Old 03-23-2007, 04:25 PM
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Post #227: The Tabucchi book regarding the De Adamich No. 35 at Oulton Park is wrong, indeed it was from Sebring 1966. And compare this photo with the Barnes car at Virginia in post #82 and #118, of course it is the same car and it must be #613011.

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To go through the Autodelta licence plates would help a lot, but sometimes they used them for not registered cars. UD 111645 is a GTA plate, but was used on a TZ2 shown in the Alleggerita book as #750104. UD 105339 should be from the destroyed TZ #750109, but is used a little later on a TZ2 in Le Mans 1965, which I am sure that it is #750110, that later got its own registration UD 111833. Autodelta had also some cars reregistered in the later years, like the GTAs converted with GTAJ motor to do the 1971 and 1972 European Touring Car Championship.

Since the ex Haupt/Jaharis GTA was sold in 1979 without engine (#613011 from what I understood from the previous posts); and Al Cortez had it for years before repaint in the winter of 1987 and entered it the next 5-7 years in many vintage races, why is #613011 for sale in 1987 by Henk Boverhuis? Possibly Cortez could not sell it and decided to repair it for himself?

There are some other pics wrong in the GTA book and in the Alleggerita book, too, but they are more than 10 years old and through the www there is much more international information available now as in 1994. In the Alleggerita book it seems that the complete first chapter about the TIS was written after the second one about the TZ. The Elkart Lake photo seems from 1970, not 1967, so No. 3 is Kwech (#775460), No. 93 is Midgley, No. 4 Harry T., and No. 1 should be Ed Wachs. The Midgley car can also be seen in the 19700802 St. Jovite photo (post #68 and #278): No. 25 Everett, No. 3 Kwech, No. 58 Norman, No. 93 Midgley, No. 4 Theodoracopulous.

The third pic regarding GTA #752648 in post #229 is from the VIR400 but the first and second one are possibly from the Mid American event on June, 6 (regarding to Vintage Motorsport 4/1995) and the background do not meet the Virginia paddock (and the size is not the same)

Bill Knauz is said to have acquired GTA #752648 in 1966 for Horst Kwech and Gaston Andrey, which they run first at Sebring 4h. For winning the 1966 U-2 TransAm Championship they earned enough money to buy a new car (must be #752573). The 1967 Sebring photo in post #88 is showing one No. 35 which possibly Horst Kwech drove (Australia), but the No. 34 car looks like the car he used in the following races according to the 2 green stripes on the right fender (post #89). Is that #752648 which he raced in 1966? The No. 35 car looks to be as new (painted). Does the photo in post #10 show #752648? This time the center heart is missing but it still has the green stripes but not the yellow left side corner from late 1967

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Horst Kwech won the (unofficial) 1966 TransAm Championship and he is also listed as the winner of the SCCA Championship (BSedan) and the President’s Cup. Do the two latter ones regard to his race at Riverside dated 19661127 only, or count for the complete season (and more races)? Is the photo showing GTA No. 303 (from the Alleggerita book) from that race?

I am not sure about the 1967 Castle Rock photo in the Alleggerita book, the right front fender shows the two green stripes but on another photo possibly of that race (from Il Quadrifoglio) it looks like the complete corner was green

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The three photos in Post 229 are from Pete Luongo and are indeed all from the July 31 1966 Trans-Am race at VIR. If you go to the VIR website

http://www.virhistory.com/vir/66-transam/index.htm

And look at the VIR photos from Roger Blanchard Grid and start collection 2, you can see the trees at the end of the pit lane are the same as in Pete Luongo's photo. If you examine the photo of Kwech and Andrey inside the two rail fence it is the same as the photo I posted with the Mustang in Victory circle but before the Mustang arrived.

The #35 car at Sebring is probably the new car 752.573 with the new color scheme. I would like to see some photos from Daytona in 1967 as they must have run 752.648 because 573 was not yet delivered.

Post #10 is from what race?

Kwech ran #303 on 752.648 at the 11-27-66 ARRC runoffs and the photo in the Alleggerita book is of 752.648 as is the photo in The Braden/Weber book. I assume Horst Kwech ran some club events to qualify for the B-Sedan ARRC and I have not found any of these.

The other questions will have to wait until my meeting with Mr Kwech and others.

Here are three photos from the 1966 SCCA ARRC Yearbook:
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Lee Midgley raced his GTA (anybody knows the VIN?) until the end of the 1971 season. But in 1972 he is also listed with GTAs in various events, only in the last few with a 1750GTV. Is this correct? The photo in post #37 (from Sanair 1972) shows possibly the GTV
The Lee Midgley GTA serial # is 613217. The car was converted to 1300 SCCA C-sedan specifications at some point in time that included a 1300 GTAjunior engine with equal length header and 6" wheels. This was the specification when it was sold in 1986 including the 6" Campagnolos. At the time it sported the race number 43. The car also had been in multiple shunts and all the fenders had been replaced with steel, probably as a result of a limited racing budget.
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A couple results from 1970. Note Kwech's and Everett's fastest lap times at Riverside.
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Old 03-26-2007, 12:33 AM
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Thank you Bob for clearing the Kwech pics from MidAmerica and VIR! The pic in post #10 came from Simon Mestas, who found it somewhere on the web

Thank you Alleggerita for giving the Midgley GTA VIN! Since the Alfas were required to bolt on ballast for TransAm races because of their TwinCam engine, it is possible that Midgley decided to use the cheaper steel fenders instead of the original alloy ones. Do you know who sold and bought it in 1986?

Following GTAs are listed for the 1966 VIR race, all of them can be seen on the starting grid pics
No. 6 GTA #752648 RHD Horst Kwech/Gaston Andrey, Lake Forest, Illinois/Framingham, Massachussettes (USA), Knauz Continental Autos Inc., Lake Forest, Illinois, 3oa, 1cl (T2.0, photo)
No. 42 GTA #752507 RHD Paul Richards/George Alderman, Wappinger Falls, N.J./Newark, N.J. (USA), Baker & Heijn Inc., White River Junction, Vermont, 4oa, 2cl (T2.0, photo: different stickers)
No. 1 GTA RHD Jim Baker/Robert McQueen, Atlanta, GA (USA), Baker Motor Company, Atlanta, Georgia, 5oa, 3cl (T2.0, photo)
No. 17 GTA RHD Russ Simon/Bill Steele, Houston, Texas (USA), Joe D. Locario, Houston, Texas, 9oa, 6cl (T2.0, photo, this could be the Jon Norman TransAm GTA)
No. 31 GTA LHD Del Taylor/Robert Pratt, Denver, Colorado (USA), Del Taylor, Denver, Colorado, 11oa, 8cl (T2.0, photo)
No. 63 GTA RHD Richard Peritz/Gerry Dolman, Little Neck, New York/Cambria Heights, New York (USA), Richard Peritz, Little Neck, New York, 12oa, 9cl (T2.0, photo)
No. 61 GTA RHD Noel Armstrong/Ron Hunter, El Paso, Texas/Boulder, Colorado (USA), British & European Automotive, El Paso, Texas, 21oa, 17cl (T2.0, photo)
No. 37 GTA LHD Harry Theodoracopulos/Sam Posey, New York City/Sharon, Connecticut (USA), Harry Theodoracopulos, New York, 23oa, 18cl (T2.0, DNF, photo)
No. 27 GTA LHD Monty Winkler/Pete Van Der Vate, Washington D.C./Vienna, VA (USA), Winkler-Van Der Vate Racing Enterprises, Washington DC, 25oa, 20cl (T2.0, DNF, photo: rain in practice)
No. 95 GTA #752503 RHD John D. Iglehart/Roger Barr, Greenwich, Connecticut/Glastonbury, Connecticut (USA), John D. Iglehart, Greenwich, Connecticut/International Motor Sales Ltd., White Plains, 28oa, 22cl (T2.0, DNF, photo: rain in practice)
No. 47 GTA RHD Howard Hanna/Erika Rhone, Newton Square, N.J./Teaneck N.J. (USA), Howard Hanna, Newton Square, N.J./Paoli, Pennsylvania, 29oa, 23cl (T2.0, DNF, photo: rain in practice)
No. 39 GTA Jim O’Brien/Tom O’Brien, N. Haledon, N.J./Oakland, N.J. (USA), George Owen North Brook, Illinois/Tom O’Brien Imported Cars, Ridgewood, New Jersey, DNA (T2.0)
No. 48 GTA Reed Rollo/Pinkie Rollo, Washington D.C. (USA), Reed Rollo, Washington D.C., DNA (T2.0, raced a BMW1800TISA)
GTA #752533 Alson Brizzard (USA), Bob Cole Imports Ltd., San Bruno, California, DNA (T2.0; his GTA has already won several SCCA National races on the West Coast)

The Theodoracopulous LHD GTA could be #613151. This car is said to be delivered to Filippo Theodoli of New York. Theodoli was in the entry list of the 1966 Sebring TransAm together with Harry Theodoracopulous, but they did not arrive

GTA #752573 is said to be delivered to Mecca Development (USA), according to the Alleggerita book, has it anything to do with Horst Kwech, Ausca Engineering, or Bill Knauz?

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A couple results from 1970. Note Kwech's and Everett's fastest lap times at Riverside.

Heh Anthony,

Where are these result pages from? And do you have more in this format that shows the car number, as the SCCA results do not. These are very helpful.

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Heh Anthony,

Where are these result pages from? And do you have more in this format that shows the car number, as the SCCA results do not. These are very helpful.

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Last night I was going through the file on our GTA and these two pages were stuck against some other papers. They are original print outs from after the race. I don't think it gets more "official" than that.
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Old 03-26-2007, 09:11 AM
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GTA #752573 is said to be delivered to Mecca Development (USA), according to the Alleggerita book, has it anything to do with Horst Kwech, Ausca Engineering, or Bill Knauz?

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Martin there may be errors in the Alleggerita book. When the book was written the author did not have the benefit of the internet and some people did not contribute that should have, hence he did the best he could.

The ARI letter Dated 4-4-1986 from Don Black that I have in my possession states "GTA 752.573 was sold to Knauz by me in March 1967 with original motor 00502/A-18591"

This is what I know as of today. Perhaps the owners of 573 and 536 can come forward and fill in the rest of the history.

I encourage all owners of significant race Alfa's to do diligence on their individual ownership and race history while the drivers and owners are still with us. The FIA is now involved in historical provenance and is setting a high standard for proof of a given S/N.

As to the photo in post #10 from 1967 I am not sure about its Serial number. We need to know the race date and then with help from others perhaps we can identify the S/N. A reasonable guess would be that it was either 573 or 536 as they were delivered in 1967. Until we know for sure it is speculation as to it's S/N

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