Alfa's In Trans Am

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Originally Posted by CanAmBob Ken, I have the following information in the Letter from ARI to Paul Spruell dated April 4, 1986. 752.648 sold to Knauz in 1966 (now owned by me) 752.573 sold to Knauz in March 1967 752.536 sold to Knauz in July 1967 My car ran number 40, 6, and 16 in 1966 Trans-Am and number 303 in the B-Sedan ARRC. I have the Autodelta build sheet and engine data for my car. It may be that my car was at the 1967 Daytona race that Kwech DNF as that race was 2-3-67 and the second RHD Autodelta car was not sold to Knauz until March. I am working on clearing up this detail. Where is 536? Anthony our unofficial registrar can you add to this information? The location was Knauz Continental Auto, Lake Forrest, IL Bob 1965 Autodelta RHD GTA 752.648 1966 Trans-Am and B-Sedan Champion

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Don sent this today,

"Thanks Paul, I found Joe's car in several races going back to 1966 @ riverside and road atlanta, he raced out of Southwest Motors in Houstin Texas. I'm sure some of the old timers will give us more input,
Cheers, Don"

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Don still can't post due to computer issues.

"Hi Paul, I found my foot notes on my early attempt to trace the orgins of my GTA rhd.

#1, boot area (trunk) had been painted green at some point.

#2. May be car # 58 as shown on page 240 in a 1970 World of racing paperback, I believe it was a Alfa ad thanking it's drivers for a great Trans Am season. ( Book is pack in attic ).

#3. door jam. paint probe showed factor primer+ white+red+green+gray primer+red (Vegher)

#4. last race at Riverside Times grand prix in April 1979 as car # 14 in winston GT cars (IMSA). Entrant was Veloce Motors West, Drivers Dave Vegher and Tom Hines.

Could you ask Chris (Redverde) to repost the image St,Joviet (post #68 alfas in TransAm)
as I believe it shows GTArhd #58 driven by Jon Norman)
All the best, Don."

[italcarguy]

Here are a couple pictures that show the ex Griswold/Jon Norman GTA in action.

[dretceterini]

In the late 60s, I spent a lot of time at Knaus and at Kweck's shop. They were only about 10 minutes from each other. I would think all the cars that went to Kweck came through Knaus.

[RedVerde]

The picture above that Italcarguy posted was the one that I had originally posted.

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Post #227: The Tabucchi book regarding the De Adamich No. 35 at Oulton Park is wrong, indeed it was from Sebring 1966. And compare this photo with the Barnes car at Virginia in post #82 and #118, of course it is the same car and it must be #613011.





To go through the Autodelta licence plates would help a lot, but sometimes they used them for not registered cars. UD 111645 is a GTA plate, but was used on a TZ2 shown in the Alleggerita book as #750104. UD 105339 should be from the destroyed TZ #750109, but is used a little later on a TZ2 in Le Mans 1965, which I am sure that it is #750110, that later got its own registration UD 111833. Autodelta had also some cars reregistered in the later years, like the GTAs converted with GTAJ motor to do the 1971 and 1972 European Touring Car Championship.

Since the ex Haupt/Jaharis GTA was sold in 1979 without engine (#613011 from what I understood from the previous posts); and Al Cortez had it for years before repaint in the winter of 1987 and entered it the next 5-7 years in many vintage races, why is #613011 for sale in 1987 by Henk Boverhuis? Possibly Cortez could not sell it and decided to repair it for himself?

There are some other pics wrong in the GTA book and in the Alleggerita book, too, but they are more than 10 years old and through the www there is much more international information available now as in 1994. In the Alleggerita book it seems that the complete first chapter about the TIS was written after the second one about the TZ. The Elkart Lake photo seems from 1970, not 1967, so No. 3 is Kwech (#775460), No. 93 is Midgley, No. 4 Harry T., and No. 1 should be Ed Wachs. The Midgley car can also be seen in the 19700802 St. Jovite photo (post #68 and #278): No. 25 Everett, No. 3 Kwech, No. 58 Norman, No. 93 Midgley, No. 4 Theodoracopulous.

The third pic regarding GTA #752648 in post #229 is from the VIR400 but the first and second one are possibly from the Mid American event on June, 6 (regarding to Vintage Motorsport 4/1995) and the background do not meet the Virginia paddock (and the size is not the same)

Bill Knauz is said to have acquired GTA #752648 in 1966 for Horst Kwech and Gaston Andrey, which they run first at Sebring 4h. For winning the 1966 U-2 TransAm Championship they earned enough money to buy a new car (must be #752573). The 1967 Sebring photo in post #88 is showing one No. 35 which possibly Horst Kwech drove (Australia), but the No. 34 car looks like the car he used in the following races according to the 2 green stripes on the right fender (post #89). Is that #752648 which he raced in 1966? The No. 35 car looks to be as new (painted). Does the photo in post #10 show #752648? This time the center heart is missing but it still has the green stripes but not the yellow left side corner from late 1967





Horst Kwech won the (unofficial) 1966 TransAm Championship and he is also listed as the winner of the SCCA Championship (BSedan) and the President’s Cup. Do the two latter ones regard to his race at Riverside dated 19661127 only, or count for the complete season (and more races)? Is the photo showing GTA No. 303 (from the Alleggerita book) from that race?

I am not sure about the 1967 Castle Rock photo in the Alleggerita book, the right front fender shows the two green stripes but on another photo possibly of that race (from Il Quadrifoglio) it looks like the complete corner was green

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At Riverside in 1967 Kwech and Winkler are listed together in car No. 6, No. 3 is listed with Del Russo Taylor, did he rent Kwech’s car for this race? Tom Blank, who bought #752648, raced sometimes with Taylor in 1968 (see post #231).



I have seen another photo of Monty Winkler driving a No. 6 GTA (seems to be #752648, too), this time it had no marked right fender and no cooling holes in the front panel but the same green strips on the front lights like Kwech’s No. 3 in the Alleggerita book saying Castle Rock



In 1968 Knauz also bought a new car, but Kwech raced it only a short time and resold it to Harry Theodoracopulous, who repainted it green, put a GTAJ motor in and raced CSedan. Is that #752536 which Knauz acquired 196707?

The very impressive websites of Frank de Jong with many race listings show Horst Kwech with an GTA in the 1968 races at Mid-Ohio and Mont Tremblant. Kwech did these with Caroll Shelby’s Ford Mustangs

Did Autodelta sell the 1968 Daytona cars in the US or bring them back to Italy?

The first one of Italcarguy’s pics in post #54 is Sebring 1967, you can see it in post #89, too.

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For the second photo in post #54 I have noticed St. Louis in 1968 when I found it on the web some years ago. The red car No. 9 is for sure Ed Wachs’ GTA (AUSCA Racing), also from his helmet he can be identified. This car has, like Horst Kwech’s GTA in 1967, every second barrel in the center heart left. Seems that Wachs bought one of the earlier Kwech cars (AUSCA). It has wider rear fenders (first series), like many of the cars from 1968 to the end of 1969 (first seen in the Critérium des Cévennes in late 1967). Three photos from 1968 (St. Louis?), 1969? Riverside and 1972 Riverside always show Wachs in the same RHD car, never one LHD and what is the green car in Mont Tremblant in mid 1969 (post #17)?







The flared rear fenders of the No. 85 GTA (Provenzano) at Riverside in Jeff’s post #240 would make it 1968 or 1969. And if you compare, it looks like the 1966 No. 1 at Virginia (ex Baker/McQueen)?. From late 1968 on Provenzano raced a white GTA, had an accident in the 1970 Kent TransAm race, the 1971 race was cancelled. Or crashed he in another race?

Bert Everett raced for the Herb Wetanson’s Wetson’s Racing in the second half of the 1971 season. Sometimes he is listed with a GTA (must be his #752507), but on photos you can see a 1750GTV with race number 2, the other two Wetson’s drivers Horst Kwech and Harry Theodoracopulous had usually No. 3 and No. 4. In 1972 Everett was under Bob Cozza’s Bobcor Racing, again with his then 7 year old GTA #752507, and was best Alfa driver in the then official SCCA T2.5 Challenge on second place. Was he ever on 1750GTVs?

Horst Kwech had an orange 1750GTV for the 1971 season (with two different stickers), in 1972 both Wetson’s Alfas (Kwech and Harry T.) were blue. The 1996 European Car article about this GTVs (post #184) tells about three cars for only the 1971 season and new 2000GTVs for 1972. Is that correct? Sometimes it is said the cars were only repainted

Ken Schley used to drive for Bobcor from mid 1972 on, was this on his old GTAJ #775253 or another one which was used by Wayne Sherer in the beginning of the season, or are all three cars different? The late 1972 one should be the second Bobcor car in yellow livery which was for sale in 1975 and Ken Geiger was refering to. The ex Bobcor car owned by Bernie Martinez is said to be #775253 and ran with No. 52 in the 1972 season

GTA #752503 was raced by John Iglehart/Roger Barr in 1966. Who owned/raced it then?

Regarding Roman Tucker: in the Victory Lane article he wrote he had bought 5 Alfas, his first in 1982, and still has 2. From the posts I think his first GTA was the #613294 ex Mario Litrico with national Italian (not European) hillclimb history. He restored it in the late 1980s and sold it to Matt Jones (USA) in the early 1990s to buy the ex Lee Midgley No. 93. Which year was that? In 1994 or 1995 he bought Charlie Thieriot’s #752533, that Charlie took against a wall in late 1995. What happened to the car? Was it repaired and is it the 1997 Mid Ohio car that had been mentioned? Than the 1750GTV ex Mayer, is that the GTAm he had in the 1998(?) Chicago Historics at Road America? So it could be the one No. 17 from the DVD regarding Grattan and Road America, now raced by Erik Wood. And the ex Kline car, what VIN? There is said to be another GTA No. 43 in the video (at Grattan), one of Tucker’s cars? What is the second car he still owns? I guess #752533?

Lee Midgley raced his GTA (anybody knows the VIN?) until the end of the 1971 season. But in 1972 he is also listed with GTAs in various events, only in the last few with a 1750GTV. Is this correct? The photo in post #37 (from Sanair 1972) shows possibly the GTV



That pic is called “Donnybrooke”, but it was at Bryar in 1969 regarding to Vintage Motorsport 1/1996. You can see Gaston Andrey’s #752507

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In the 1967 Daytona 24h Harry Theodoracopulous ran a GTA No. 82, which should show that pic:



This pic I found elsewhere in the web with the only infomation for Adamowicz for the Porsche driver. It looks like the above No. 82 GTA in the previous Daytona TransAm race without the extra lamps, but Adamovicz is listed as a non finisher in a Ford Lotus-Cortina and this Porsche has his 1968 livery. Anyone can help?



The first two pics in post #208 are showing: 19660917-18 Riverside International Raceway 4h TransAm T – California (USA)
No. 61 GTA Noel Armstrong/Ron Hunter, El Paso, Texas/Boulder, Colorado (USA), British & European Automotive, El Paso, Texas, 14oa, 6cl (T2.0, photo)
No. 31 GTA Del Taylor, Denver, Colorado (USA), 24oa, 14cl (T2.0, photo)



Italcarguy wrote that Charlie Thieriot did 2 races in 1969, and showed two pics of #752557 at Riverside in post #7. Elsewhere it was told that Thieriot did an SCCA event dated 19690704, was this race the Riverside one where the photos come from (there are some CSedan and sports cars in the background)? In the race photo it lacks the three strips on the upper side of the windscreen, maybe they are not from the same event, was this one taken from the Mission Bell race dated 19691005? Thieriot is not in the result list of this race, but also the Wachs GTA is not included but can be seen on the cover of the TransAm DVD. The Provenzano GTA is the only Alfa in the results, but the photo where he is battling the Porsches from post #69 had no date. In post #238 Rick Clemente had the 1970 Riverside event for Thieriot’s first TransAm race ever with the off course story because of the rear brakes. But he rolled the car at Elkart Lake, a half year before Riverside. Had #752609 its “tri colori” paint before that race, or get it after repairs? Otto Zipper, who watched the repairs at Riverside, was named as Vic Provenzano’s sponsor this very race. Thierot’s #752609 has the full length black panel under the doors, which it has not in later races (post #63)

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Vic Provenzano



The very first photo in this thread, Charlie Thieriot in GTA #613609, is said to be at Kent in 1972. But there is no (TransAm) race recorded in 1972, the 1971 race was cancelled, so could it be from 1970, when Charlie finished 7oa?



The second and third photo is said to be Elkart Lake 1971 before his rollover, but Thieriot rolled the car in 1970 and the 1971 race do not list Thieriot



The fourth Thiriot photo at Laguna Seca in post 1 is not 1971 TransAm, he had starting number 33, the car coming out the last corner does not look like a 1971 Wetson car (for what I can see), they had the starting number in the middle of the door



Thieriot’s #752609 seems to have the same livery in all those pics, the only difference is the black front panel before the stepnose and one more sticker under the doors, and a third one at its last race at Riverside 1972. But also the body panel under the doors was not painted black in the full length in some (earlier) photos
What date is the PR-photo from post #20 with the Valvoline stickers at the headlamps?

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Originally Posted by RedVerde The picture above that Italcarguy posted was the one that I had originally posted.