A pic of my GTA Junior in Australia

[italcarguy]

Thanks for the heads up on that site. Great pictures! I'm looking forward to seeing more pictures of your car.

[PSk]

?, if I may.

Is a GTA Jr still alloy and rivetted together like a GTA. Is the difference only trim (ie. grill, etc.) ... and ofcourse engine size!.

Why do you refer to Anthony's and Andrew's ex-Bartlett car as Autodelta cars?. Is this because they prepared them for racing at some stage?.

I thought ALL GTA's were assembled by Autodelta? ... am I wrong.

Thus my understanding is that we have the following:
- 1300 GTA (is this what you refer to as the GTA Jr? ... I assume so , der I should save myself the embarrassment and remove the question above as brain has just started to work ... ).
- 1600 GTA.

These cars were all produced as Stradale versions and then Autodelta turned a few into Corse (or race) cars and made some weird models, ie. 1300 GTAsa and GTA wide bodies, etc.

Pete

[italcarguy]

Yes, GTA Jr.'s were aluminum riveted together like the GTA. Only difference was the discplacement and some trim.

Alfa Romeo built GTA's on the production line with the other Alfa's in their line up. Autodelta got ahold of some cars and prepared them to different levels based on what customers wanted. They built cars both their own team and select private teams.


GTA SA's only came in 1600.

Wide bodies were options for GTA Jr.'s and GTAm's in the late 60's and early 70's. You will see some 1600 GTA's with wide fenders fitted on them.

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Originally Posted by PSk ?, if I may. Is a GTA Jr still alloy and rivetted together like a GTA. Is the difference only trim (ie. grill, etc.) ... and ofcourse engine size!. Why do you refer to Anthony's and Andrew's ex-Bartlett car as Autodelta cars?. Is this because they prepared them for racing at some stage?. I thought ALL GTA's were assembled by Autodelta? ... am I wrong. Thus my understanding is that we have the following: - 1300 GTA (is this what you refer to as the GTA Jr? ... I assume so , der I should save myself the embarrassment and remove the question above as brain has just started to work ... ). - 1600 GTA. These cars were all produced as Stradale versions and then Autodelta turned a few into Corse (or race) cars and made some weird models, ie. 1300 GTAsa and GTA wide bodies, etc. Pete

[Threealfas]

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Originally Posted by Andrew M This is my 1968 GTA Junior chassis AR 776043 manufactured in 1968 and sold new in Germany, original 116,000kms (approx 72,000 miles) original trim and paint but some small dents here and there. Has been converted to RHD for Australia ( easy to change back later if required). Cheers Andrew M

[kengta]

Andrew,

If you look at Fusi's "All Cars dal 1910" under 1966 production figures in the back you will see listed well below the GTA LHD figures a figure of 150(I think) RHD GTAs for 1966. The 50 RHD for 1965 are listed for 1965 right below the LHD GTA figure and is the figure most often mistakingly quoted. The 66 figures, given that they did not show up directly below the LHD figure were overlooked by many researchers and authors. "Allegeritta" lists many RHD S/N well above 50.

How do you define an Autodelta GTA. Some would hold that it only applies to those GTAs Prepped and sponsored by A/D/Alfa Romeo. Others, my self included, count all A/D prepped GTAs.

So how many A/D RHD GTAs were there/are there. I think there were 6- 1965s sent to "Alfa Romeo Inc., Newark", in Newark New Jersey, USA in 1966 for their special program selling to privateers for racing in the Trans Am series and tying the sale to a minimum number of starts in the T/.A. The price was good as was the prize money from Alfa Inc.

I think 2 more came in for the 1967 T/A and were run in the T/A By Kwech and ??. (# and #6).

So that leaves the rest of the world to report.

Of the first 6, I personally know the whereabouts of 4 and one is believed destoyed and one other possibility, with S/N removed.

BTW, the S/N of my RHD GTA is 752507. And I have a copy of the A/D build sheet for it which is 2 parts, one for chassis and one for Engine including Dyno test.

It ran the first T/A at Serbring in 1966 and the Last T/A for these cars at Riverside in 1972 and many in between. It is best known wearing #25 and in Bobcor yellow livery for 1972.

Regards

Ken Geiger
Toronto

[italcarguy]

Here is a picture of Ken's GTA AR 752 507. The picture is thought to be taken at Road Atlanta in 1972. It's got some serious documentation and history!

[GTV4EVR]

A somewhat earlier shot not going quite as fast (Mt. Tremblant 1969) ?

[borrani]

"Alleggerita" says that RHD GTA's started at 752 5XX, so 507 is indeed a super early GTA, indicative of an A/D car. Incredible American racing history!

My car was not A/D, but Paolo Franchi, the original owner, was the son of an Alfa Romeo dealership owner in Siena, and lucky young Paolo got a new car to race every 18 months or so. He said they put every A/D part they could on my car back in the day. Of course those parts are long gone.

Like most racing GTA's, my car apparently went through several body changes, even becoming a 'silhouette' car at one point, says Paolo. Nothing more useless than an obsolete race car, right?

Remember, the GTA Jr's did have the high rear wheelwells, which allowed a wider wheel to fit. GTA's had the low slung rear wheelwells like early Sprint GT's, necessitating those cool 'codolini' blisters.

Steve Schaeffer
AR 613 169

[italcarguy]

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Originally Posted by GTV4EVR A somewhat earlier shot not going quite as fast (Mt. Tremblant 1969) ?

[Shire_GTV]

Hi Andrew,

Are either of your GTA's previously own by fellow Perth resident Sam Calabro (sp?). He spent a year or two over here in NSW and brought his GTA Jr with him initially. I believe this car was sold maybe three years ago to fund the restoration of his 1600 GTA. This car then was brought to Sydney after it was restored. Do you know either of these cars. I don't know if they have returned to Perth or not.

I have pics of both these cars at various Concours here in Sydney. I dig them out and post when I have a spare minute.

Cheers from the Shire,

Adam

[PSk]

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Originally Posted by italcarguy Yes, GTA Jr.'s were aluminum riveted together like the GTA. Only difference was the discplacement and some trim. Alfa Romeo built GTA's on the production line with the other Alfa's in their line up. Autodelta got ahold of some cars and prepared them to different levels based on what customers wanted. They built cars both their own team and select private teams.

[GTV4EVR]

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Originally Posted by italcarguy Ken, I know you got more cool pictures like that....post more!

[universible]

Great shots! That is a very nice green...what the heck color is it?

[RossT]

EXCELLENT!

I've never seen that green.

Thanks,

Ross

[RedVerde]

Damn that would have been SO awesome to see a racing series like that. It's so cool seeing all those spectators in that pic. Those look to be some pretty cool rear flares on the 68 car.