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Old 07-04-2008, 09:06 PM
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Well i finally got a 164 i can actually show off a bit!
beautiful car!

have pics of the interior?
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Old 07-07-2008, 06:38 AM
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Old 07-07-2008, 09:49 AM
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Old 07-07-2008, 10:20 AM
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Very nice Spider. More pics!! Is it a 68 or 69? I think it looks beter without the US side marker lights actually. And a cleaner trunk line.

I note the S/N is the same as mine? Waaaas up on that? Mine is a 10562.1480323. Didn't know they doubled up on S/N's.
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Old 07-07-2008, 12:41 PM
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Hey Anfanuts.

How embarrasing - I mixed up the numbers. My VIN is 1480303. I had visited your profile just before uploading and were supprised to find one so close. - You can say, that our Spiders are twins !!

According to the Alfa factory my Spider was buildt on October 17th 1968 and sold to Alfa Newark on October 24th. 1968

It returned to Europe in 1989 - to England - and it came to Denmark in 2006 and I bought it last fall. I have a nice record of it since 1989, but know absolutly nothing about the UShistory. Do you think, that it is possible to find some informations through some official archivs ?

There is some pictures on:

Welcome to GAZ veteran - By Jens Anton Dalgaard - Denmark

and I have more pics yet not uploaded

yours

Jens Anton

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Old 07-07-2008, 01:18 PM
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Foiund my Twin!?

Alfa Storico said of mine, "With reference to your request we are informing you as follows. According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 1480323 originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo 1750 Spider Veloce USA (105.62), manufactured on the 14th January 1969 and sold on the 20th January 1969 to Alfa Romeo, Newark, U.S.A. The body colour is red, with black skai interiors."

With only a 20 production number difference, they were manufactured 3 months apart (October to January). The factory must have taken a long Holiday or had a strike. I guess they are both 69's. Yours has the typical European trunk badging and no side marker lights, again a non-US mark.

Make sure you register yours on Willie's Duetto Register (Link).

SO our cars are twins and I have Viking heritage though not Danish (Norwegian cousins). Both our ancestors did some damage nonetheless. I'll lift/hoist one tonight to your very nice car!

Welcome to the board! Bruce

PS: More pics and specs!!! I have more under my Profile.
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Old 07-07-2008, 01:30 PM
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Hey Bruce

I have registred on Willies Duetto Register yesterday.


My Spider is born as a true US model and still have miles-instruments.
I have pictures of from 1989 with the full US- equipment (sidelights ect.)

The guys making the bodywork in England have made the european modifications - special the trunk is not original, but I think it is really nice, the way, they have modified it.

Have just made a new upload to :

Welcome to GAZ veteran - By Jens Anton - Denmark

According to US history - do you think, I can trace it ?

Jens Anton
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Back in those days all US cars were "imported" via Newark, NJ and then sent to dealers around the country. So it's hard to tell where it "lived" and "moved" to. Mine was a Los Angeles, CA car now moved to Texas. There is a company with whom you can trace your car's VIN history (Carfax link). It is used when buying a used car to determine it's heritage. I have never used it but seen it advertised. The site says though: The VIN must be from a car or light truck manufactured for the North American market since 1981. You may have to call or e-mail them.

I see they also re-converted your engine back to carbs and a single circuit brake system? US 69's had Spica mechanical FI and a dual brake system with two boosters. I still see the firewall bracket for your rear booster? You do need to change that trunk badge to a proper "AR Milano" badge. While not OE, they sell a very nice cloisonnes badge that looks sharp. The OE-style plastic ones are available also. Your car has seen a lot of work and looks very nice.

Congrats! Bruce
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After 3 moths of deconstruction and rebuild of my garage, my Giulia had to sit outside while we had the opening dinner.
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Alfa Storico said of mine, "With reference to your request we are informing you as follows. According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 1480323 originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo 1750 Spider Veloce USA (105.62), manufactured on the 14th January 1969 and sold on the 20th January 1969 to Alfa Romeo, Newark, U.S.A. The body colour is red, with black skai interiors."

With only a 20 production number difference, they were manufactured 3 months apart (October to January). The factory must have taken a long Holiday or had a strike. I guess they are both 69's. Yours has the typical European trunk badging and no side marker lights, again a non-US mark.

Make sure you register yours on Willie's Duetto Register (Link).

SO our cars are twins and I have Viking heritage though not Danish (Norwegian cousins). Both our ancestors did some damage nonetheless. I'll lift/hoist one tonight to your very nice car!

Welcome to the board! Bruce

PS: More pics and specs!!! I have more under my Profile.


Hey Bruce

Have tough about the apparently supprising low speed of the produktionline.

Could it be so, that they changed the produktionline to european 1750 models or Juniors in november/december and turned back to US models, when the october shipment were sold out of Newark ?

According to Willie it seens, that the produced 1480001 - 1480490 US models in a row (500 planed ?) they are alle registrered as 1969's - that's a bit funny as my 1480303 is produced in october 1968 !! They must have been busy in the months before october producing the first 300 "69'ers".
And still according to Willie they made 11410112 - 1410991 european models in 1968 ! PLUS a bounch of Juniors, proparly made on the same produktionline

Hollydays in december - sure - but no, I don't they just made 20 Spiders in november/december 68 - it dosn't fit with a total of over 1200 1750's during 1968/69

Our ancestors making damage in past ??- that's not the way the danes look at it, we were just bringing back home the stuff we needed in Scandinavia, and we still operate that way, bringing Alfas "back home" to a better life here

Yours

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Old 07-08-2008, 10:45 AM
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Jens, You know that cars for a given year are typically produced in part the year before. The new year's models go on the showroom in the Winter or even Fall of the year before. So it does not surprise me that a US 69 Spider numbered #303 would be made in October 1968. What surprises me is that #323 (mine) was made in January, 3 months later. Something was going on with the production line that caused this gap (strikes, retooling, other car lines produced, etc.). Sounds like there was a break between ours somewhere. Willie's log could help determine that if we had Alfa Storico's help on the production dates between #303 and #323.

This is interesting as it helps to explain why there can be small but significant differences in a year's model details - color or wiring details to name two that I am aware of and have discussed in recent threads. For example it might explain why many 69 reds are a Rosso 95-C-9068 but mine is a 9614. Why my emergency blinker wiring is different and caused "papajam" to make a 2nd 69 spider wiring diagram.

As to the Vikings, I think they did a LOT more than just bringing home some groceries. But anyone with a bigger stick did that back then (and now), so I'm not loosing any sleep. Explains why many Irishman's hair is red (or vice versa with Vikings).

All the best with your beautiful 69 1750. Share more pics and specs!!!! Interior and reconversion details.

Best regards, Bruce
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Hey Bruce

Of course you are right concerning the new models made the year before introduction to the market.

I have made a new upload to

Welcome to GAZ veteran - By Jens Anton - Denmark

the first 2 pictures in the serie are taken in 1989 when it came to England, before the total makeover, and the picture of the engineroom with the black valvehood is taken at the same time.

You can see, that the modification with Del Lorto carbs instead of Spica FI and the removal of the second powerbrakeunit is made ind the US - it brakes fine with just one powerunit.

I have spoken to my good friend, how imported it from England, and he says, that your'e absolutly right about the logo on the trunk, - it isen't the right one, and we have to change it -
The colour of mine is OK - in Denmark we call it Pinan Farina Red - it is orange/red - my 145 is "normal" Alfa rosso. He also said, that there are european 1750 from 1969, that is original painted Alfa Rosso - without any explanation - "why" I asked, "well, he said, thats the italian way, maybee they just ran out of Pinan Farina Red, and toke some Bertone Red from the shelf !!"

I think, that over the years, there are made quit a lot alternations on my 303 compaired to your 323, all the wiring are made "by hand" and is of poor quality - the emergencyligths is out of function, no wirering for the interiorlights and cigaretligther and so on.

surely I would like to take some more photos of any detail you want, just let me known, that parts you want to see.

It's getting late in Denmark - I am leaving for Lithuania tomorrow morning on business (and trying to get some spareparts for the 1952 GAZ truck - it is due for an exhibition in 3 weeks, and the topgasket is leaking like hell !!)

see you

Jens Anton

(still wondering about your hard feelings concerning wikings - we found America long before Columbus, but never raided Texas )
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Old 07-08-2008, 02:54 PM
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No hard feelings at all; just awe and respect! I have Viking blood. Just want to be straight about history. Best, Bruce Berens (Jeral/Wholdahl). Back to more pics now!!!
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(still wondering about your hard feelings concerning wikings - we found America long before Columbus, but never raided Texas )
Jens - Bruce's comment of "doing some damage" is just an American phrase, it's not meant as a bad thing, sort of difficult to expain actually - but don't worry about about, it's a friendly expression!
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