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post #46 of 236 (permalink) Old 01-05-2014, 03:38 AM Thread Starter
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Don,

I have soldered the pipe to the panel, so I have steel-solder-copper, cleaned the spot from flux material very carefully. But will check in the office tomorrow, if and what kind of galvanic element I have created.

Richard,

thanks for the advice. I have ordered two dozens of small magnets right away, very good idea and not really expensive! I will gas weld the repair panel but my problem in fact is the support.

Welding on the table will lead to an "out of shape" result. The fender has to be fitted to the car, I think. Now it turns out to be a disadvantage that I have removed so many parts from the shell. The back panel is not there, no doors, no front fender. Perhaps the best way will be to fit at least the rear panel and the fender by clamps, then tack the repair panels,weld the seam on the table, planish, ready

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The magnets have arrived, they are really helpful!!!

The tip end of the left rear wing is finished. Still many things to do, when the wing turns out too ugly afterwards, I will use the spare one.

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Hubert that is looking great. You have obviously built up a lot of skill. Imagine the cost if you were paying someone else to do this work.

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Woaw! Congratulations with your work. A Flaminia, whatever model, is a superb car!
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No panels this week, made a nice tool instead. l=3200 mm, 64 pins


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That is one impressive tool! Wow.

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Good idea Hubert. At least it will have perfectly matching sides. Would it have originally being a coachbuilt car?

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I have seen something similar in one of touring63s posts, so not my idea.

The specialists may correct me, but I think, only the Berlina was made at the Lancia factory, the Coupé was made at Pininfarina.

In my opinion the coachbuilt cars draw a lot of their character from the fact that they are not symetric to nowadays tolerances. Once I was asked to examine a Flaminia Sport (offered at 245.000 Euro, more than 300kUSD). The car did not appeal to me and I was wondering why it was so. The documents said that more than 2000 hours had been spent on the body, it was perfectly symetric, over all quality was like an Audi, it was dead. Still a sculpture, no question, but without spirit.

Fortunately my skills will not be sufficient to reach that level, so "the Bugatti-Wagen" was coachbuilt in 1961, will be coachbuilt in 2014.

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Should have paid more attention to the rear end. I now (a little bit late) noticed that the left end of the car is 15mms shorter than the right. At least the wheel housing is ready now.

What I supposed to be poor craftmanship at the factory probably was poor repair of a smaller crash.
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Hubert, is it just on the face of the rear light where it is short? Is it supposed to be angled or is the inner side of the face the 15mm short side? The close up photo shows some pretty rough work on the metal and I doubt planishing it will grow you your 15mm. Might have to weld in an extension on the side it is short?

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Richard, the measured length difference is to the very tip end of the wing, right below the lights.

The "seat" of the light seems to have been put in place angled. Besides the rough work I can not find any creases or bends on the neighbour panels, especially the rear center panel appears straight.

The right side also looks quite rough although not as bad as the left. The spare wing is manufactured in a much better way.

There is a small angle at the right side, too. Maybe that had been straightened by filler. Consequently the next step would be to set up an auxiliary longitudinal center line of the body shell and check the position of both rear ends.

I will find out how the position of the lights is at the other Coupé.

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There are always little hiccups along the way of restoration, especially coachbuilt stuff, and previous accident repair work which often is to a very poor standard.
I guess you just go back to basics and determine firstly the proper dimensions and shaping.
It may involve you having to cut off and remake those rear light parts of the rear wings though. Just as well you obviously have the skills, and another car that you can refer to.

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Hubert, forgot to mention have you seen last week`s Petrolicious video? Flaminia Zagato featured. Being a Flaminia man I`m sure you would enjoy.

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Finished wing side. Solving one problem reveals two new ones, wonderfull!

Picture 5, winter in the shop!

Richard, thanks for the hint, the Supersport video is great!

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