Looking for a 1.3 or 1.6HF

[nuvolariveloce]

Hi guys,

I am keenly interested in obtaining a 1.3 or 1.6HF. Needless to say my search has been intensely difficult to find such cars. I would be most appreciative if someone might offer some insight into the purchase of such cars and if anyone knows if any are available.

Many thanks!
Hans

[ncundy]

Where abouts are you?

Are you looking for S1 or S2 cars?

What condition?

Both are more available in Europe than anywhere else. If you are looking for S1 cars 1.6 HFs (fanalones) are the easiest to find on the market (probably about 6 for sale at an one time) but almost always in mainland Europe. 1.3 HFs are much rarer and are not often on the market. There is one for sale in Italy

and one for sale in Germany but they are the first I have seen for a while.

Series 2 cars are easier to find and less expensive (although there are no S2 1300 hfs).

Key as ever is condition of bodyshell, if you are after an S1 car make sure that it is complete with all the pukka HF bits.

If you are in the States then Ed Levin is your best source of info on what may be available - but it will I imagine be a longer search.

Neil

[nuvolariveloce]

ncundy,

Many thanks for your reply and for the information regarding the two available HF models. I reside in the states in CT so ideally I would love to find the car in the states to avoid the importation hassles, though the rarity of the car might demand I look overseas.

I would prefer if possible to obtain the series 2 model with the understanding that the 1.3HF model did not exist in this series, but again the difficulty in finding the car might demand I purchase a series 1.

I have just received my new sports car market collecting edition and they chart HF prices for the 1.6 ranging $25-45,000. Is this the range I should expect to pay?

Many thanks again for your advice.

[ncundy]

S2 1600's are around €20,000 ($28,000) for good ones in Europe.
S1 1.6HFs seem to be selling for around €50,000 ($75,000) in Europe.

Obviously these are prices for what the sellers describe as "excellent cars" for which I cannot vouch - but thats the ball park.

Again Ed is a better bet than me for prices State side.

[nuvolariveloce]

ncundy,

Excellent information concerning the general price range. I think I'll be looking for a series 2 1600. How might I go about contacting Mr. Levin? Is he on the bulletin board?

Thanks again,
Hans

[ncundy]

He's late today, he must be slacking - it's not often I beat him to the draw

Neil

[1,6 HF]

Hi Hans, (Hey, Neil)

Sorry to be late to this party, but this discussion started around noon my time and, sadly, I have to work for a living. Even more sadly I just dumped the better part of an hour’s worth of work on a reply, and rather than reconstruct everything, I’ll go with a shortened version.

Neil’s about right on prices in Europe, and those are the ones that matter, for reasons I’ll explain. I’ve already sent Keith Martin an e-mail about the SCM Price Guide; short version: ignore those numbers. $45k should buy you the best S2 1600HF on the planet with enough left over for a very nice vacation In Italy.

It’ll take a lot of patience to find a good 1600HF anywhere, but it’ll take enormous patience and a great deal of luck to find one in the US. I’m sure there are cars here that I don’t know about, but my Fulvia register has fewer than two dozen HFs–total of all types–in the US. Surprisingly, though, half of those are 1.3HFs; there are only a handful each of S1 1.6HFs (Fanalones) and S2 1600HFs, and it would be a colossal understatement to say that they don’t change hands often. I spent three years looking, and I gave up trying to find one in the US. Naturally, a few months after I gave up trying to find a 1600HF, a Fanalone turned up only 25 miles from me. About as likely as getting hit by lightening, though considerably less painful...

So if you’re serious, I’d suggest you look in Europe more than here. Anamera (http://www.anamera.com/gb/home/index.html?no_cache=1) is the best international search site. And unless you know a fulvista who can examine a car for you, you’re better off sticking with a reputable dealer. There are a couple I’d buy from, and a couple I wouldn’t trust as far as I could throw one of their Fulvias; feel free to PM or e-mail me, as this is better discussed offline. And if you do locate one there, keep in mind that it’s likely to be as cheap or cheaper to fly the car here rather than stick it on a boat–and a lot faster, too.

Last, but far from least, do your homework. If you don’t already own a copy, you should buy Weernink The Lancia Fulvia and Flavia: a collector’s guide (try bookfinder.com to locate a copy). If you read Italian, the best–by a very wide margin–book on the HF is Altorio Lancia Fulvia HF ed altri.. All Fulvia Coupé owner’s manuals, as well as the Weernink chapter on “Choosing a Fulvia” are available as free PDF downloads at lancisti.net (http://lancisti.net/); modesty prevents me from naming the slacker who scanned and uploaded those. Lancisti.net also has a good Fulvia forum (the Lancisti Community - Powered by vBulletin), as does Viva lancia (Phorum :: 65 Fulvia). Neil and I regularly waste time on both.

Enough for now. Good luck.

[nuvolariveloce]

Ed,

My greatest of thanks for your most informative and fantastic reply! Needless to say your words about the difficulty of finding a 1.6HF, or HF could'nt be more true!!! I will most certainly pick up a copy of those texts you recommend and I have also been scanning Anamera most judiciously. At the moment it seems they have only 1 1.6HF for sale and the pictures certainly don't demonstrate too much. It would seem that the Fanalone versions are simply out of my reach as they command fantastic premiums and rightly so given their heritage. I would be prepared to pay from 30-40, but beyond that seems a bit much as I am sure no matter the price of a car a bit of fettling will be necessary. I was showing my 1750 GTV at the Fairfield Concours this weekend past and saw a fantastic looking 1.6HF which simply sounded and looked marvelous. It is actually the only Fulvia I have had the pleasure of seeing on the road! They are such brilliantly engineered cars which makes the difficulty of obtaining one so much more frustrating, but as with all classics so much joy comes from the research and the search itself!

Ed, many thanks again and if you hear of any HFs becoming available please keep me in mind as I am very serious about obtaining one. I'm off to search those sights you recommend. My fiance had a chance to sit in Fulvia Sport Zagato this last weekend so I'm warming her to the idea of another Italian in the garage

Hans

[alfamox]

it is hard to find Fulvia HF's in Europe right now. I have seen a couple through the last year but not many road cars. Here are two race prepared for sale, one in Italy and one in Germany - price about 58.000 € for the german car the italian is not mentioned. But in fact I am not sure they are still for sale because many websites are quite slow at deleting sold cars.




Lancia Fulvia HF 1600 GR 4 (fanalon Annunci Auto d'epoca, storiche e moderne: Annunci gratuiti con foto



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[alfamox]

Sorry I didn't notice the two cars already have been mentioned in previous posts.

Vere Lancia writes this on their website, maybe too late, maybe a nice 1600 HF waiting for a new life.

Vere Lancia

Lars

[pcleemans]

Hans,
Have you considered looking at a S1 Fulvia Coupe Rallye 1.3S (90-100 HP, made 1968-1970) ? These are quite rare and relatively affordable (<15.000 USD). double carbs, oil cooler, aluminium doors/hood/bonnet.
Philip

[1,6 HF]

Hi Philip,

As you can see from this thread http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/othe...0hf-lusso.html Hans managed to find an S2 1600HF. In fact, he managed to find one remarkably quickly.

But I'd second your suggestion that an S1 1.3S is a reat choice, too.

[WmRD]

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Originally Posted by nuvolariveloce Hi guys, I am keenly interested in obtaining a 1.3 or 1.6HF. Needless to say my search has been intensely difficult to find such cars. I would be most appreciative if someone might offer some insight into the purchase of such cars and if anyone knows if any are available. Many thanks! Hans