Do you believe in "global warming?"

[Subtle]

In the wild days of the old and notorious Vancouver Stock Exchange there was the classic definition of a promoter:

"In the beginning, the promoter had the vision and the public had the money.

At the end of the promotion, the promoter has the money and the public has the vision."

With most state, local and federal governments as well as the United Nations on the band wagon the amount of funding for "Decision-based evidence gathering" has been enormous.

And the public has had the "Vision".

However, recent cooling, which could not have been anticipated by anthropogenic warming theories, is fostering a growing skepticism amongst the general public. This is now beyond the skepticism of dispassionate earth scientists.

The advice to even the most passionate of promoters is to review only the most recent climate history.

The emotional pitch has been that until recent, temps were up by around 0.75 C and the extrapolation became sensationally apocalyptic, or threatening.

Nobel economist, Paul Krugman, on June 28 made some wild accusations "And as I watched the deniers make their arguments, I couldn't help thinking I was watching a form of treason--treason against the planet."

And as Prince Charles fretted on July 9, "We have just 96 months to avert irresistible climate and ecosystem collapse and all that goes with it."

Over the past 6 years the temp has given up some 0.75 C , which is the amount that has prompted what must be the best-funded hysteria the world has ever experienced.

My advice to the promoters--declare a victory and move on before the scam goes into a full collapse.

In the political hysterias of the 1860s Stanley Jevons, who was the leading economist, had a personal vision that the world was about to run out of coal and civilization would collapse.

I think he is more remembered for that clanger than for his work in economics.

All those carrying IPCC visions should look to protecting their posterity.

[Subtle]

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Originally Posted by Subtle Been doing it since 1962. Now let's see--the deepest solar minimum, and associated cooling influence since 1913, and Alex declares that it "irrelevant".

[Subtle]

The report for yesterday is at 31 spotless days.

Will it get beyond 31 days and set a record for this deep solar minimum?

[Subtle]

August 11 extended the spotless trend to 32 days.

The next record is 35 days.

[RC Hiatt]

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Originally Posted by Subtle The next record is 35 days.

[AlfaVeloce]

From ARRL, which is concerned about sunspots as they relate to radio propagation rather than climate science:

SOLAR UPDATE

Tad "Suspended in the blinding, sunlit blue" Cook, K7RA, this week
reports: The quiet Sun continues to baffle us. If there are no sunspots
today -- and I don't expect any to emerge -- this will be the 42nd day
in a row with no sunspots; July 10 was the last day we saw any spots.
There is really no way to predict when the next sunspot will appear. If
we see no sunspots through the end of the month, then nearly 80 percent
of 2009 so far will have been spotless. Sunspot numbers for August 13-19
were 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 and 0 with a mean of 0. The 10.7 cm flux was 67.2,
67.6, 68.1, 68.8, 68.1, 67.4 and 67.1 with a mean of 67.8. The estimated
planetary A indices were 5, 4, 3, 3, 3, 4 and 10 with a mean of 4.6. The
estimated mid-latitude A indices were 3, 2, 1, 0, 2, 2 and 8 with a mean
of 2.6. For more information concerning radio propagation, visit the
ARRL Technical Information Service Propagation page ARRLWeb: Propagation.

[Subtle]

Spotless Days as at August 21:

Current Stretch: 42 Days

2009 Total: 184 Days (79%)

Since 2004: 695 Days

Typical Solar Minimum: 485 Days

An interesting paper has been published in a Geophysics periodical:

Are Sunspots Different During This Solar Minimum

Just google it--should come up.

Interesting quote from the paper when preliminary work was published in the internet, which "led to some misunderstanding when a few authors from other fields cited the post and erroneously concluded that a lack of sunspots could explain global warming."

[Alex Csank]

So, this is now the how many days without sun-spots thread? How about the "How to get rid of liver spots Thread"?

[1,6 HF]

as of August 22: 0 Dogs without spots

[Subtle]

Current Stretch of Nonsequiters: 2...

[Subtle]

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Originally Posted by Subtle For those interested in reviewing what could be a very interesting phenomenon, start Googling "Sunspots". In this case, solar activity is unusally low and continuing into the time when the increase with the pending cycle was likely to start. There are some sites where solar "groupies" hang out and the current condition is exceptional. The relation to this thread about global warming is that the Little Ice Age was associated with exceptionally low solar activity, known as the "Maunder Minimum". A prolonged diminuition of solar output would drop temps and, hopefully, cool the intensity of the promotion about anthropogenic warming. Best to review the literature on sunspots before the political scientists start spinning the subject.

[1,6 HF]

Current Stretch of Non Sequiturs: 772 and counting...

[AlfaVeloce]

Now a thread without a needle.

[Alex Csank]

"La": A note to follow "So"!

[Alex Csank]

Which will bring us back to: Doh!!!!