Do you believe in "global warming?"

[randyleepublic]

Randy....
take your meds !!

Cogent critique!

So what exactly are you saying? Do you deny that it could be argued that the average European now has a better life than the average American? If so, you are deluded, not me.

Notice: I did not say "has"; I said "it could be argued". Of course if your measure of quality of life is time spent behind the wheel of an SUV, we win, hands down. Sheesh!

[randyleepublic]

Or is it that you deny that a government provided service could ever be superior to one provided by private enterprise?

What? What are you saying? (Beside, of course, that is, beside the fact that you are rude and stupid.)

[101/105guy]

I'm saying that even thou we all know that you are an intelligent, nice guy.....
these rants are a little over the top.
So have a cookie, a drink or whatever will calm you down.
You are sounding like Alfar7....
;^)

[Pat Braden]

Just because there's never enough discussion on this thread, here's a tidbit from the American Chemical Society last week on the EPA regulating fracking.

Link: EPA Issues Fracking Rules | Chemical & Engineering News

[randyleepublic]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101/105guy I'm saying that even thou we all know that you are an intelligent, nice guy..... these rants are a little over the top. So have a cookie, a drink or whatever will calm you down. You are sounding like Alfar7.... ;^)

[RC Hiatt]

Thanks Cheryl, a good reason to abolish the EPA before they put very expensive methane retardant diapers on livestock. The idiots are also trying to cause the exportation of ALL of our natural resources, Coal and LNG, to go along with all of our wood, so that we have no jobs here besides the Spanish speaking at Burger King. The Morrow Pacific Coal project expects a whooping 25 new jobs when completed, but many will be government jobs, and taxpayers have much deeper pockets for wages than Whooper buyers, so the King hires many times more at minimum wage. You folks in California can stop and buy a burger next time you want to vacation where endless lines of coal trains bisect once scenic towns.

Jordan Cove Energy Project, L.P. and Good Work - A Victory and a Follow Up

As a result of many letters to the Army Corp of Engineers and State Government, the Morrow Coal project has been put on hold for more study, but like with all of Government, the end result is predetermined by blind faith that we "must" stop the crisis of anthropogenic climate change, no matter how many good jobs are sent to China. But ODumbo can always point to a robust balance of trade, if we can find enough middle class left to actually buy back the finished products. Then again he can always print more debt in order to subsidize the imports to get our resources back. Share that wealth baby!

Hopefully anyone who strongly objects to the exportation of Coal by ruining the way of life in the Columbia Gorge, can write here: U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, attn: Steve Gagnon,
PO Box 2946
Portland, OR 97208-2946

Randy, please include one of your masterpieces, so they can see what Socialism does to a mind.

[randyleepublic]

>> Randy, please include one of your masterpieces, so they can see what Socialism does to a mind.

Another wizard of critical thinking speaks. Why try to understand what has gone so horribly wrong with healthcare in the United States? Why try to understand whether or not the marketplace will, or as I theorize, will not produce the optimum energy program?

That stuff is complicated. /whiney voice

No, it's much easier to just call someone a meaningless, but emotionally charged name, label them as the outsider, and lapse into a smug stupor.

Now that I've gone tit for tat, I have a question for you Mr. Hiatt: do you seriously not see that our healthcare is a disaster? Can you seriously maintain that other counties, ones that you would deride as socialist, are kicking our butts in healthcare price performance metrics? You are, no doubt, a big believer in the free market, so why do you think we should keep paying 3 or more times the price for a product that delivers only 90% of the performance of the competitors?

[randyleepublic]

See, look, I am not trying to turn my thread into a discussion of healthcare. But, as I now see, before we can have a rational discussion about energy production, we first have to disabuse some of us of ill-considered, and non-evidence based notions about what a government can and can not do.

[randyleepublic]

Along those same lines: when was the groundwork laid for the greatest expansion of the middle class to occur in the US? In the late 50's and early 60's when we had what???

A top tier tax rate of 90%!!! Trickle down is one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the citizens of the US. With a top tier tax rate of 35%, CEOs do not create jobs. Instead they destroy jobs: they and their henchman turn equity into bonuses, pocket the windfall, and move on, leaving the dying husk of the company and its employees to fend for themselves.

Icons cheerfully clasted!

[Greg Gordon]

Randy, are you advocating socialism as way to boost the middle class? I am kind of loosing you here, especially as to how this ties in to global warming.

Greg

[randyleepublic]

I am advocating deep government intervention into energy production in the form of building and operating state of the art fission power plants on a vast scale.

The reason I am getting sidetracked is that, instead of thoughtful discussion of my reasons for advocating such, I get a bunch of anti-socialist nonsense.

BTW, despite what scoundrels would have you believe, a 90% top tier tax rate is not socialism. Having the government build and operate thousands of breeder reactors is.

My point with the juxtaposition of the last two sentences is that a label serves no purpose for determining the validity of a proposition. So let's skip the labels and discuss the reasoning.

Just to point out how outside stereotypes my thinking is: Along with a 90% top tier tax rate I also advocate the abolition of corporate income tax. At best, all corporate income taxes accomplish is to contribute to the fallacy that a corporation is a person.

[randyleepublic]

I am not a socialist per se, but I would contend that it's a lot easier for a middle class job holder to become an entrepreneur in a country where he or she doesn't have to worry about where their health care will come from. Won't someone think of the entrepreneurs?

[101/105guy]

I personally have experienced european style "free" healthcare in Germany.
The care is horrible.
Our system has its cost problems as a result of the gov. getting deeply into it.
The same for energy. The more the gov. 'helps' the worse it gets.

[RC Hiatt]

Randy, I was hoping you would send your thoughts to the government, not to me. I think they speak your dialect. You should know by now that you and I are not even on the same planet, let alone on the same page, so save your rants for an OWS soapbox.

Healthcare was not all that bad a few years back, and could be again if bleeding hearts would quit trying to give it free to millions of illegals and stop trying to make the 1% pay for the other 99%, most of whom pay nothing. You are correct to include healthcare in this thread, as they are two of many examples of engineered or imaginary crisis that Socialists and Communists use in their war on this country. As of today, thanks to Odumbo, I no longer trust my Doctor or my government. In the past 3 years, progressive socialists have won a small battle, but the war continues.

[randyleepublic]

>> The care is horrible.

Life expectancy in the US: 78.2 years

Total expenditure per person per year: over $7000

Life expectancy in Germany: 79.4

Total expenditure per person per year: under $4000

Tell me again how crappy German healthcare is...

Or is that you think its unfair that someone who is so shiftless as to come down with cancer does not get their finances ruined forever. We are real good at that here!