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04-13-2014 11:20 AM
iicarJohn
Unfortunately ...

It is sometimes the case that someone is in for a disappointment. I do not know the other car (or two?) that claims the identity. I merely have notes that one car was reportedly in England claiming the chassis number. Then there are reports of what may be that same car or another(?) in Japan. Aside from the fact that there has been knowledge for many years that the car was sold originally in Portugal, the other reports have been based on number claims that seem to report on the same car. I have one photo of the car in Japan that I am willing to share privately with you. Please PM me with your email address if you are interested. I believe it came from the internet quite some time ago?
04-13-2014 10:50 AM
SprintGtVeloce
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Originally Posted by iicarJohn View Post
Far from being a help to the study of history, secrecy only fosters thoughts of speculation as to what might seem to be possible in a vacuum of knowledge. In the end, sharing as much as possible is the only way to learn all that might be learned. Declaring ownership or existence of something needs to be backed up in the end but already discourages others from using the identity for another car.

In this instance, there are already one or two cars claiming the identity of SZ "00032", so it may be that the horse has already bolted through the open barn door?
Didn't know the fact that there are already 2 or 3 cars claiming that. In my spare time and as a passionate for Alfa Romeo, I try to study Alfa Romeo cars and also try to know how many are in Portugal now and how many existed then. This car is in the "existed" folder, but it still has it's portuguese ownership recorded since the 80's, a name and an address attached to it. Unfortunately I can't go further because I think the owner already died and I can't contact any of her relatives, but I'm getting close... I think. It is somehow strange the horse has escaped, if it had portuguese registry should have been deleted and this isn't the case. Better like this?
04-13-2014 10:10 AM
iicarJohn
The problem with secrecy ...

Far from being a help to the study of history, secrecy only fosters thoughts of speculation as to what might seem to be possible in a vacuum of knowledge. In the end, sharing as much as possible is the only way to learn all that might be learned. Declaring ownership or existence of something needs to be backed up in the end but already discourages others from using the identity for another car.

In this instance, there are already one or two cars claiming the identity of SZ "00032", so it may be that the horse has already bolted through the open barn door?
04-13-2014 09:15 AM
SprintGtVeloce I think that we have to be very careful when mentioning chassis numbers and that's why I didn't mention it. I love Alfa Romeos and do not want somebody taking advantage of this forum and the information in it to make a scam car, in this case Alfa Romeo. We, the passionates, have the duty to try to preserve the make the best possible way and when we're talking about SZ, SVZ we have to be very cautious. Ok, so Martinue said it, no problem, but now John want's to know if the car exists. If it exists it isn't a "candidate" for you know what. And if my answer was: the car has rotten in the 80's and now it is in an unknown location, probably destroyed in the meantime but documents are still alive. Can I give such an answer? Am I beeing an Alfista? I understand John, I really do, but there are some things that we have to keep for ourselves in order to protect Alfa Romeo and it's history.

Now my answer to you: I still haven't found this car, I'm searching for it, I know to whom it belongs and... that's it.
04-11-2014 12:08 PM
iicarJohn
Thank you "SprintGtVeloce"

And "Thank You" also to "martinue" for catalyzing the sharing (Finally!) of something in the way of precise information to work with.

I suspect that I am not the only researcher out here who has no time to devote to mere puzzles. Until this time, this query has had the nature of a "puzzle" more than an honest query. I could have arrived at a reasonable guess at 00032 based on the photos alone, but there are thousands of mysteries out there seeking study and I'm afraid I was not inspired to even make a guess.

Now we have two paths of study where we might have searched uncertainly for a path as to where to begin our studies.

AR00120*00032* is a vacant "hole" in the listing I maintain for Giulietta SS cars. That "hole" now has an entry with this SZ being a candidate for supplying some "filler". Among the SZ chassis numbers, chassis 00032 is a car that is noted as having been sold 1960 to Portugal (with a spare engine reportedly as part of the deal) and I have a few additional notes collected under that chassis identity. I've not made either car (SS or SZ) a subject of personal study and it seems likely that all of the information I've gathered has come from outside sources and should perhaps be already well known to one and all?

Even now, I am uncertain as to whether this is a study of a car that is of personal interest to "SprintGtVeloce" (in which case there should be many additional clues available to us) or whether he is simply trying to identify a car that is seen in photographs. If it is the former, then please share additional clues. If you have the car in front of you (so as to see the chassis number stamping), then the engine number could also be of interest. The Zagato body number will be of great interest! The wheels? The brakes? Gearbox details? Rear end ratio? Modifications? Firewall configuration? Radiator? So much more can be studied!

Once we know enough to describe the car as it is today, then we can begin to think of some strategies that might allow us to learn more. Until then, we might equate ourselves with two blind paranoiacs in a large stadium who seem to be alone while wishing to find someone to show the way out ... but afraid to utter a sound for fear that someone might actually find them.

Good luck! Please tell us more when you have a chance to do so.

John
04-11-2014 05:40 AM
SprintGtVeloce
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The Portugese car is a SZ and not a SVZ. The driver might be Rui Martins da Silva and the VIN *00032*
All correct, but before the *00032* there's *101.20*
04-11-2014 04:19 AM
martinue The Portugese car is a SZ and not a SVZ. The driver might be Rui Martins da Silva and the VIN *00032*
04-10-2014 04:31 PM
velocedoc As the keeper of the SS Register, I would be interested in more information and photos. have you contacted Marco at the Alfa Archives to verify that this is a SS chassis? Send me an email or contact me with a private message.
04-10-2014 09:01 AM
SprintGtVeloce
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Originally Posted by Alleggerita View Post
The first SVZ was a rebodied SV after it was crashed. It certainly wouldn't be inconceivable that at a later time a racer would have had an SS rebodied by Zagato after a crash or maybe even to just be more competitive ...
Thank you! Are there any SVZ known to have SS chassis? This portuguese one had... very interesting.
04-10-2014 08:38 AM
Alleggerita
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Originally Posted by SprintGtVeloce View Post
Sorry for quoting myself again, but is there anyone who could help me with this?
The first SVZ was a rebodied SV after it was crashed. It certainly wouldn't be inconceivable that at a later time a racer would have had an SS rebodied by Zagato after a crash or maybe even to just be more competitive ...
04-10-2014 08:14 AM
SprintGtVeloce
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Originally Posted by SprintGtVeloce View Post
I'm researching a Portuguese SZ or SVZ, don't know, and I need your help. The car raced several times in the sixties but the strange thing is it has a SS chassis number?! Is this possible? If yes, why? Thank you in advance for your reply.

Pictures of the car:



Sorry for quoting myself again, but is there anyone who could help me with this?
04-09-2014 11:31 PM
tubut
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Originally Posted by iicarJohn View Post
Photographic evidence is always required to be certain as any of these folks were capable of getting a ride in somebody else's car if their own was out of commission for some reason.
Here's the original image cropped. The driver seems to be recognizable to the point of seeming to be relaxed and happy with the performance of the car.
04-09-2014 01:24 AM
iicarJohn
III Bologna - San Luca = 4 maggio 1958

Grazie Ruedi!

The photo (race #274) shows "Kim" (Sergio Pedretti) in AR1493E-03907 in what may be its first outing(?) with its new Zagato body fitted. He was 2nd in the GT1300 category. "Pegaso" (Sergio Bettoja) was first in class in another SVZ (almost certainly 02308) and Ada Pace was third in class in yet another (almost certain to be 01849). Photographic evidence is always required to be certain as any of these folks were capable of getting a ride in somebody else's car if their own was out of commission for some reason.

There was also Sergio Cannara who finished 8th in the GT1300 class in an SV. That car was almost certainly 04458 ... probably shortly before it received it's Zagato body.

1958 was the last of three consecutive editions of the Bologna - San Luca hill climb race that was first run in 1956.
04-08-2014 11:33 PM
tubut FYI, this picture is currently offered as eBay item #321373988735, described as:
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FOTOGRAFIA ORIGINALE DI UN'ALFA ROMEO GIULIETTA SZ RIPRESA DURANTE LA GARA IN SALITA BOLOGNA-SAN LUCA NEL 1958
03-16-2014 02:59 PM
iicarJohn
EE plates

EE plates have implications. The main implication is that the car was purchased in Italy (either new or used) by a foreign national who was intending to use it in some way for a limited time period in Italy or elsewhere in Europe on the Italian papers.
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