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02-16-2015 09:58 PM
martinue 19620909 Großer Bergpreis von Österreich, Gaisberg-Rennen, Salzburg (A), n. 136 SVZ *04069* (M-ST 172) Herbert Wrobel, München (D), Herbert Wrobel; 8cl (GT1.15/GT1.3)
02-16-2015 06:00 PM
Ti Sup
Unknow German SVZ

Hello all,

I've found on a website this picture of a german SVZ.

Who have informations on this car ?

Note the modified nose ("sz style") and the round wheel arches.

Is this the ex- Gorza (#1613 or #4069 ) when the car were in the hands of Herbert Wrobel ???

Peve

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01-20-2015 05:08 AM
2000 touring sp hello to you all.
Thanks for the recommendation. The Giulietta Register. Was able to provide me with the #82. And the issue 85 I have received a copy of.
Then there is the question with the Issue Letta #38 with an article by Roger Purvis, it is from 1994.
Hopeful,that there is someone of the knowledge people on this tread, that is able to provide me with, either the magazine or a copy of the Purvis article. Any cost in this connection, natural is mine.
01-16-2015 03:55 AM
martinue SVZ *04657* ex Rammensee
01-15-2015 02:18 PM
Ti Sup
SVZ in Switzerland

Hello,

Found on the web, this svz registred in Switzerland.

Who knows the VIN of this car ?

Attachment 707393

Attachment 707401

Attachment 707409

Attachment 707417
01-14-2015 10:59 AM
2valvehead 2000touringSP ..... you're right. There's plenty of excellent info in the Giuliettaletta archives. You can add Issue 82 (Golden Jubilee issue) with Adrian Smits starting car by car review of the known and unknown SVZ's. This was followed up with an update in October 2004. This info may well still be available from the 'Letta' folk themselves but I'm not so sure it can just be published here without their permission etc. Suggestion ..... try their website and see if you can get copies perhaps of what you need. You will find the depth of research on these exceptional cars to be extraordinary.
01-14-2015 10:17 AM
2000 touring sp hello and a happy and prosperous new year to you all.
I have been digging for materiel on the SVZ
Books. Anselmi Giulietta -- The racing Giulietta- Giulietta Sprint Veloce Zagato- La Taga Florio della Giulietta .I am avare of the content of these books
But there is an additiona souce . The issue from the Giulietta Register "Giuliettalettaletta"
After what I have been able to understand from different sources.
There should have been focus on SVZ in Issue letta #38 with an article by Roger Purvis , again in an issue in1993 or 94 , Letta Spring 1998 Issue #60 and Winther 2004 Issue #85.
Does anybody know about these information, and are able or willing to share it with the members on this tread. Or in other way spread light of the content
04-13-2014 12:20 PM
iicarJohn
Unfortunately ...

It is sometimes the case that someone is in for a disappointment. I do not know the other car (or two?) that claims the identity. I merely have notes that one car was reportedly in England claiming the chassis number. Then there are reports of what may be that same car or another(?) in Japan. Aside from the fact that there has been knowledge for many years that the car was sold originally in Portugal, the other reports have been based on number claims that seem to report on the same car. I have one photo of the car in Japan that I am willing to share privately with you. Please PM me with your email address if you are interested. I believe it came from the internet quite some time ago?
04-13-2014 11:50 AM
SprintGtVeloce
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Far from being a help to the study of history, secrecy only fosters thoughts of speculation as to what might seem to be possible in a vacuum of knowledge. In the end, sharing as much as possible is the only way to learn all that might be learned. Declaring ownership or existence of something needs to be backed up in the end but already discourages others from using the identity for another car.

In this instance, there are already one or two cars claiming the identity of SZ "00032", so it may be that the horse has already bolted through the open barn door?
Didn't know the fact that there are already 2 or 3 cars claiming that. In my spare time and as a passionate for Alfa Romeo, I try to study Alfa Romeo cars and also try to know how many are in Portugal now and how many existed then. This car is in the "existed" folder, but it still has it's portuguese ownership recorded since the 80's, a name and an address attached to it. Unfortunately I can't go further because I think the owner already died and I can't contact any of her relatives, but I'm getting close... I think. It is somehow strange the horse has escaped, if it had portuguese registry should have been deleted and this isn't the case. Better like this?
04-13-2014 11:10 AM
iicarJohn
The problem with secrecy ...

Far from being a help to the study of history, secrecy only fosters thoughts of speculation as to what might seem to be possible in a vacuum of knowledge. In the end, sharing as much as possible is the only way to learn all that might be learned. Declaring ownership or existence of something needs to be backed up in the end but already discourages others from using the identity for another car.

In this instance, there are already one or two cars claiming the identity of SZ "00032", so it may be that the horse has already bolted through the open barn door?
04-13-2014 10:15 AM
SprintGtVeloce I think that we have to be very careful when mentioning chassis numbers and that's why I didn't mention it. I love Alfa Romeos and do not want somebody taking advantage of this forum and the information in it to make a scam car, in this case Alfa Romeo. We, the passionates, have the duty to try to preserve the make the best possible way and when we're talking about SZ, SVZ we have to be very cautious. Ok, so Martinue said it, no problem, but now John want's to know if the car exists. If it exists it isn't a "candidate" for you know what. And if my answer was: the car has rotten in the 80's and now it is in an unknown location, probably destroyed in the meantime but documents are still alive. Can I give such an answer? Am I beeing an Alfista? I understand John, I really do, but there are some things that we have to keep for ourselves in order to protect Alfa Romeo and it's history.

Now my answer to you: I still haven't found this car, I'm searching for it, I know to whom it belongs and... that's it.
04-11-2014 01:08 PM
iicarJohn
Thank you "SprintGtVeloce"

And "Thank You" also to "martinue" for catalyzing the sharing (Finally!) of something in the way of precise information to work with.

I suspect that I am not the only researcher out here who has no time to devote to mere puzzles. Until this time, this query has had the nature of a "puzzle" more than an honest query. I could have arrived at a reasonable guess at 00032 based on the photos alone, but there are thousands of mysteries out there seeking study and I'm afraid I was not inspired to even make a guess.

Now we have two paths of study where we might have searched uncertainly for a path as to where to begin our studies.

AR00120*00032* is a vacant "hole" in the listing I maintain for Giulietta SS cars. That "hole" now has an entry with this SZ being a candidate for supplying some "filler". Among the SZ chassis numbers, chassis 00032 is a car that is noted as having been sold 1960 to Portugal (with a spare engine reportedly as part of the deal) and I have a few additional notes collected under that chassis identity. I've not made either car (SS or SZ) a subject of personal study and it seems likely that all of the information I've gathered has come from outside sources and should perhaps be already well known to one and all?

Even now, I am uncertain as to whether this is a study of a car that is of personal interest to "SprintGtVeloce" (in which case there should be many additional clues available to us) or whether he is simply trying to identify a car that is seen in photographs. If it is the former, then please share additional clues. If you have the car in front of you (so as to see the chassis number stamping), then the engine number could also be of interest. The Zagato body number will be of great interest! The wheels? The brakes? Gearbox details? Rear end ratio? Modifications? Firewall configuration? Radiator? So much more can be studied!

Once we know enough to describe the car as it is today, then we can begin to think of some strategies that might allow us to learn more. Until then, we might equate ourselves with two blind paranoiacs in a large stadium who seem to be alone while wishing to find someone to show the way out ... but afraid to utter a sound for fear that someone might actually find them.

Good luck! Please tell us more when you have a chance to do so.

John
04-11-2014 06:40 AM
SprintGtVeloce
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Originally Posted by martinue View Post
The Portugese car is a SZ and not a SVZ. The driver might be Rui Martins da Silva and the VIN *00032*
All correct, but before the *00032* there's *101.20*
04-11-2014 05:19 AM
martinue The Portugese car is a SZ and not a SVZ. The driver might be Rui Martins da Silva and the VIN *00032*
04-10-2014 05:31 PM
velocedoc As the keeper of the SS Register, I would be interested in more information and photos. have you contacted Marco at the Alfa Archives to verify that this is a SS chassis? Send me an email or contact me with a private message.
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