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post #46 of 148 (permalink) Old 06-18-2016, 02:26 AM
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The alu tray protect against water and other dirt from the road. But not the sump against big stones - drove over a stray cobble the day after the having the tray fitted. Sump broke tray just bent a little.
It would have to be better than the flimsy plastic ones though.

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2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
!989 75 3 litre (black). Shared project with my son.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.

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1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
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I don't think my mechanic does that, but I will watch him next time. Even the good old 75 V6 is tricky, but you can do it from above. The biggest problem is getting a tool that allows enough movement. My brother made me one that fits over the end of the filter with a nut welded onto it, but it doesn't grip tight enough if the filter is tight. K&N make filters to fit the Alfa V6, TS etc that have a nut on the end so I think I will get one of those next time.
Undoing the filter is not the problem as my hand does just fit up in the gap, but getting it out once undone is impossible without removing the power steering hose bracket so you can push the hoses to the side. Even then it only just wiggles through.

I first tried to get it out through the right side wheel arch ... nope will not fit.

Today I was worried for a minute that the filter would not undo, as there is no chance of getting a filter undoing tool/clamp up in that tight space, but thankfully after concentrating and trying very F'ing hard my left hand managed to get it to move ... phew!
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It would have to be better than the flimsy plastic ones though.
Marginally ... both will just bend.

I assume there is aero benefit?? otherwise not sure why they bothered but I'll keep mine to keep the engine clean.
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Marginally ... both will just bend.

I assume there is aero benefit?? otherwise not sure why they bothered but I'll keep mine to keep the engine clean.
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They are reasonably thick and stiff as evidenced by the fact that Erik's only bent a little after running over a large stone. The plastic ones get ripped off completely or torn. I went into it before I bought the undertray because, like you I wondered if they were necessary and the consensus is that they are. They help aerodynamics, keep the engine clean, keep noise down and I think there is an effect on cooling as well. I figured the factory wouldn't go to the expense of fitting them if there was no benefit.

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2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
!989 75 3 litre (black). Shared project with my son.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.

Past Alfas
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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Undertray fixed

Service (@ 127,000 kms) completed.
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Just bought a 156 v6 manual - here in Australia these cars (156's) are getting cheaper, beer money for autos or selespeeds.

I really shouldn't have bought the car since it was due a cam belt which meant that the investment in the car doubled at the first service. However, it's great, the engine sings and steering responds almost as well as my daughters Mini Cooper (2007).

Next job is to uninstall the "sports" suspension. This has been on the car since new. I am guessing the front springs have sagged with age as no premium car buyer would have tolerated it back in 2002.

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Next job is to uninstall the "sports" suspension. This has been on the car since new. I am guessing the front springs have sagged with age as no premium car buyer would have tolerated it back in 2002.
What is wrong?, too low?, harsh?
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It might have the Monza suspension with the Eibach 20mm lowered & progressive springs which is a bonus. They handle better and give the car a better stance and appearance. I'd be surprised if they were sagged. The shocks might have lost pressure though. You can match those springs with Bilstein shocks. We did that with my daughter's standard suspension 156 and it made a big difference.

Current Alfas
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
!989 75 3 litre (black). Shared project with my son.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.

Past Alfas
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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According to various forums, the relevant front hub centre to wheel arch diameters are as follows:
Std car 37 cm
Eibach pro 34 cm
My car 31 cm.
So, the wheels foul the body work and the suspension bottoms on every trip. The is an invoice for a sump replacement in the documents that came with the car. I don't need that again.
I would be nice to fit a properly engineered low suspension kit such Eibach along with matched struts, but that starts to get expensive. Budget solution is to refit standard springs, at least I am mobile again and safe on speed bumps.
The car, with its sports suspension was sold (as a demonstrator) by Ric Damelian Pty Ltd in NSW - I have the delivery documentation. I would be interested to hear from anyone who knows what they were selling as sports suspension back in 2002. There are no markings on the springs and the struts appear to be stock.

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That doesn't sound like a factory set up to me. 6cm is a big drop. No wonder the sump got damaged. It almost sounds like somebody has cut a coil out or it originally had the Eibachs and someone replaced them with extra low aftermarket springs. I bought the Eibach springs and struts from an Alfa wrecker for $100. We were going to use the struts but decided they were a bit long in the tooth and bought new Bilstein B8s which are designed for the lower springs.

Current Alfas
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
!989 75 3 litre (black). Shared project with my son.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.

Past Alfas
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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Somebodies slammed it ...

I don't get the whole lowering BS myself. Good luck with the fix
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"getting it out once undone is impossible without removing the power steering hose bracket so you can push the hoses to the side. Even then it only just wiggles through"

With our stock 89 Milano/75 (granted, not a 156), I can remove the filter up through the rhs without messing with any hoses. I do use the smaller 24V 164 filter to give more room. I also have to loosen it from below with a metal strap wrench before accessing it from above. I do have to remember to tilt it upright as I pull it up to avoid pouring oil out of it.

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Removing the air filter box helps a lot and is worth the small amount of extra time.

Current Alfas
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
!989 75 3 litre (black). Shared project with my son.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.

Past Alfas
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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Removing the air filter box helps a lot and is worth the small amount of extra time.
Are you talking about a 156?

The air filter box is at the opposite end of the engine with a 156v6 and I cannot see how removing it would help at all with removing the oil filter which surely HAS to be removed out the bottom??
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Are you talking about a 156?
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Sorry, no. I was replying to Del about removing the oil filter in a 75 V6.

Current Alfas
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
!989 75 3 litre (black). Shared project with my son.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.

Past Alfas
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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