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Any report on the refueling mishap with Honda and Barrichello, and what about the red light at the pit entry? Any penalty?
Trully and his hot seat, was that the ECU?
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03-17-2008, 10:26 AM
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It was a crazy race, but now we can see who is a good “real driver”. Not like a playstation.
In my opinion, McLaren has a very fast car. Hamilton did a good race and also has good luck with the safety car. The safety car entered in the track just after he refueled his car. In the opposite, his teammate has a bad luck: the safety car was in the track when he need the fuel (like Alonso and Kimi). Also … one more time with the wrong button. I think that the team has to do something about the position of the buttons.
Ferrari: A disaster. Massa very bad without the T/C. Kimi. Very fast and very aggressive, but bad luck.
BMW. Another fast car. Very bad strategy for Kubica. He deserved a better score. For me is a very good driver, one of the best.
Renault. Another disaster. The R28 is one of the slowest car in this season, more than 15 km/h less than others. Alonso was always beyond the car possibilities, taking a lot of risks. At last he had good luck with Kova and Bourdonais ….. but he never threw in the towel. With the two safety cars he had to go to the last position. Piquet Jr. …. Where was he in the race?
Willians. A good car also.
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03-17-2008, 10:31 AM
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Any report on the refueling mishap with Honda and Barrichello, and what about the red light at the pit entry? Any penalty?
Trully and his hot seat, was that the ECU?
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Another question- what are the rules for being a qualified finisher? I saw that both Kimi and Sebastian were listed as finishers, but neither were running at the end. Do they need to complete a certain number of laps??
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Stan Murray,
Rubens was DQ'd for his red-light crossing...that moves Bourdais and Kimi up.
The mechanic who got knocked down by Rubens is now reported to be OK, thankfully. That was totally the lollipop man's fault.
Word is that Hekki accidentally hit his pit lane speed limiter button when removing an oily tear-off visor...thus The Eyebrows repassed him on the straight. Bollocks.
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Looks like Ferrari is back to behaving like an Italian team.
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I think its way to early to say that. They were hardly the only ones with problems.
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Judging from the move Heikki did on Kimi, it showed for me just how outclassed Kimi is - not as ice cool as everyone used to say. That and the total domination of the race that Lewis demonstrated, showed why last year's result of Kimi winning the championship was just a case of right place / right time (luck).
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Judging from the move Hekki did on Kimi, it showed for me just how outclassed Kimi is - not as ice cool as everyone used to say. That and the total domination of the race that Lewis demonstrated, showed why last year's result of Kimi winning the championship was just a case of right place / right time (luck).
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This year, as others have said, it's a little early to come to any conclusions--except the conclusion that Hamilton seems to be the real deal.
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03-18-2008, 09:46 AM
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nobody wins the world championship just by being in the right place at the right time. Last year Kimi ran well enough all season to put himself in the position to capitalize on Hamilton's mistakes--that wasn't just luck.
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This was the evolution (in points) for the 3 best drivers in 2007. It was not only two races. It was a good season (for kimi).
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Carlos, that's a pretty bizarre graph!   
I'm always amazed at how closely every little detail is placed under the microscope by the fans...in almost every sport. Anyway, it DOES look like it just might be an interesting season.
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I agree
This was the evolution (in points) for the 3 best drivers in 2007. It was not only two races. It was a good season (for kimi).
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But that was last year. It's time for a new points evolution graph...
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Kimi won the championship last year because Hamilton screwed up at both of the last two races. That was certainly lucky for Kimi--he couldn't have won it otherwise. But nobody wins the world championship just by being in the right place at the right time. Last year Kimi ran well enough all season to put himself in the position to capitalize on Hamilton's mistakes--that wasn't just luck.
This year, as others have said, it's a little early to come to any conclusions--except the conclusion that Hamilton seems to be the real deal.
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Kimi arguably has the team with the best grasp on tactics, on how to read a race and (had) a very reliable cohesive and fast car - that is what won him the 2007 season and that is what the real heir to that title certainly lacked, in particular a team with a good grasp on race craft.
What Kimi lacks and has so far shown no sign of gaining is the wherewithall to be one of the great racing drivers.
He makes too many mistakes under pressure, he doesn't seem to be able to pull the kind of moves on opponents (gutsy, well timed and well executed feats of car control) that you would expect a world champion to be able to pull. It always looks like he's driving on the mirrors, ragged, gittery... Plus, look at the interaction with the team, another aspect of a world champion driver - you can see its the team carrying him, not the other way around - when you look at how Massa developed the 2007 car, how he used Schumacher as a mentor, how he saught to galvanise his talent with the resources around him, I saw more in Massa as a potential world champion for crying out loud than I've seen in Kimi so far - and there is a horrific statement
So even at race 1... Kimi looks just the same as before, the same steady eddie in a really fast car, with a good team that lives race craft and brinksmanship.. but absolutely not a brilliant talent.
Not an Alonso, Not a Hamilton and certainly no Schumacher. He lacks the precision, the balls and natural talent to be truely great.
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Kimi won the championship last year because Hamilton screwed up at both of the last two races. That was certainly lucky for Kimi--he couldn't have won it otherwise. But nobody wins the world championship just by being in the right place at the right time. Last year Kimi ran well enough all season to put himself in the position to capitalize on Hamilton's mistakes--that wasn't just luck.
This year, as others have said, it's a little early to come to any conclusions--except the conclusion that Hamilton seems to be the real deal.
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Kimi arguably has the team with the best grasp on tactics, on how to read a race and (had) a very reliable cohesive and fast car - that is what won him the 2007 season and that is what the real heir to that title certainly lacked, in particular a team with a good grasp on race craft.
What Kimi lacks and has so far shown no sign of gaining is the wherewithall to be one of the great racing drivers.
He makes too many mistakes under pressure, he doesn't seem to be able to pull the kind of moves on opponents (gutsy, well timed and well executed feats of car control) that you would expect a world champion to be able to pull) It always looks like he's driving on the mirrors, ragged, gittery... Plus, look at the interaction with the team, another aspect of a world champion driver - you can see its the team carrying him, not the other way around - when you look at how Massa developed the 2007 car, how he used Schumacher as a mentor, how he saught to galvanise his talent with the resources around him | | |
