Is Nascrap over?

[Zunige]

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlpltGTV .. I didn't like the crowd, the atmosphere or the cars. ...cookie cutter cars crash on tight turns. ..., rubbing is not racing, and intentionally putting someone else in the wall or dirt is not good racing. Its crap. ....

[aldo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by dretceterini It's spelled nASScrap, and that name is TRADEMARKED by me!

[dretceterini]

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldo Sorry Doctor, send me your address and I'll forward your royalties in a small box.

[aldo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarcusHMM Well. isn't this the superior, well mannered world of snobbery. Open your eyes, minds and you may just learn something and enjoy it. But we all know that "European/International" minds are just so superior that they do not need to learn anything as common as American racing. So, I have my Nomex on now just in case. Marcus

[Bill77]

For exciting racing, try MotoGP.

[genericwood]

Even as a kid, I was into sports cars and road racing. My Dad ran an SCCA Giulietta. My first car was a Fiat 850 Spider. In high school I remember criticizing a classmate who was into muscle cars. After all, how could anyone be into cars that don't stop or turn worth a damn? My Dad's response was to ask me if criticizing someone else's interests made me feel better about my own?

I'm not particularly interested in Nascar, but I think it is kind of a waste of bandwidth to criticize those who are. And I don't care what kind of racing it is. You have to respect a guy who wins 4 of the last 5 races to take a championship in what is essentially a spec series.

Erik

[aldo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by genericwood I'm not particularly interested in Nascar, but I think it is kind of a waste of bandwidth to criticize those who are. Erik

[slam105]

Quote:

Originally Posted by genericwood I'm not particularly interested in Nascar, but I think it is kind of a waste of bandwidth to criticize those who are. Erik

[MarcusHMM]

Ok, if you all want to make yourselves appear to be more sophisticated, better mannered and above the NASCAR fan so be it.

You have every right to not like that type of racing, or to think your choices in life are better, more informed, and of a higher intelligence than the poor NASCAR fan.

But to lump all NASCAR fans in with a few out of control people is bigoted, prejudicial and just plain ignorant.

I have been to many races at The Glen, Indy, Lime Rock, Road America, Stuttgart, Dallas from SCCA to IRL, CART, and F1. I will tell you at every race there have been fans that were out of control, there only for the party and booze and most people thought they were jerks. The Glen was famous for The Bog and the F1 crowd and the Can Am crowd went wild as cars, people and motorcycles were trashed by some idiots. It was so out of control on a few times that cars were stolen and buried then burned in the mud.

I am a supplier to the Indianapolis Raceway people and have known them for 15 years. Some of the stories they tell about CART, IRL, and F1 fans as well as NASCAR fans are way over the top. Quite frankly they did not like the way they were treated by the F1 staff or some of the F1 officials.

As I recall there have been a few crazies that actually ran onto the track in F1 races over the last few years. Look at the wild parties and course rushing after a race and the FIA fines for venues for fan problems.

Ever seen NASCAR fans run onto the track during the victory lap? But they do it in F1. That does not make all F1 fans winos and dope heads.

Open your eyes, and your ears and look at the history and innovations that the NASCAR guys brought to racing. The designers, engineers and mechanics are truly innovative and they work hard at what they do. Everybody is working with the same basic chassis and they use their own ideas to make it better than the next guy. The manufacturers engines are all different, but also are under very strict parameters. But there are many teams using the same basic engine and you have to make yours run longer stronger and better than the guy next to you.

What would F1 be like if the Super Aguri guys had access to a McClaren or Ferrari chassis? Heck, they beat Honda with Honda's old equipment and less than 10% of the budget.

F1 is going the way of NASCAR, like it or not. Standardized ECU's, customer engines and chassis and I will assume many more standard parts in the near future. If it is not controlled you will have 2 or maybe 3 teams that will outspend the others and turn it into a $$$$ race. That will kill F1 and they know it. I seem to recall the cost of around $25,000 for a damn nose piece. Engine chassis and component restrictions on exotic material will be made common place in the near future to control costs and make for closer racing.

If you do not like or appreciate a type of racing, don't point to the fans and call them names just to make yourself feel better.

[aldo]

One last @#$#&* question?

Why do they paint headlights on their cars?

[slam105]

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarcusHMM Ok, if you all want to make yourselves appear to be more sophisticated, better mannered and above the NASCAR fan so be it. You have every right to not like that type of racing, or to think your choices in life are better, more informed, and of a higher intelligence than the poor NASCAR fan. But to lump all NASCAR fans in with a few out of control people is bigoted, prejudicial and just plain ignorant. Open your eyes, and your ears and look at the history and innovations that the NASCAR guys brought to racing. If you do not like or appreciate a type of racing, don't point to the fans and call them names just to make yourself feel better.

[slam105]

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldo One last @#$#&* question? Why do they paint headlights on their cars?

[aldo]

My apologies, I'm just frustrated.

The major players in F1, Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, Ferrari all derive a majority of there earnings and profits from the United States. It seems inconceivable that while nASScrap prospers these corporations sit back and allow the imbeciles in control of F1 to do nothing to promote their interests.
These companies spend megamillions in advertising yet they can't manage to find a venue here in the US to showcase their premier technology.

We need F1 to return.

For all you nASScrap/junk food fans, I am truly jealous.

[RC Hiatt]

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldo One last @#$#&* question? Why do they paint headlights on their cars?

[MarcusHMM]

Slam, you are right my skivies are in a knot.

But when people start to criticize a sport, person or activity with vulgar, baseless deprecating names then I sort of assumed they were passing some sort of judgment on the sport, person or activity.

I may be wrong about this, but I think "corner loading" was started by some NASCAR teams very early on. Also, as far as down force is and racing aerodynamics is concerned they were some of the first early adopters. No guarantee, but Smokey Yunick was one of the first to recognize and work in that area. I am sure others were doing the same in almost all racing, but in NASCAR they had to be a bit more creative since everyone was working with basically the same packages. And that was doing it by the seat of their pants.

I love my Alfa and have worked and played with them since the early 70's. I was introduced to them by a Red Neck from Arkansas. We called him Dollar Sign Charlie and he ran an Alfa dealership in Little Rock just across from The State Capitol building. He loved Alfas but he also loved the stock car world as well.

I can easily see when people take Alfa cars apart for their poor build quality, the propensity to turn steel into rust in a matter of seconds it seems, and the wonderful electricals they came with. I agree with them and probably rant more than they do about the Alfa problems and quirks. It's when they start to call nasty names and try to put the Alfa or any vehicle down with little or no thought that I take exception. If you want to criticize something do it with valid points and not just name calling. Also realize that there may be some good points to take from them.

F1 is mostly boring as all get out, but I love to watch it. I am thankful that I have had TIVO for the past 10 years so I can watch a race in about 1/2 the time on a Sunday morning and do not have to get up at 7 AM to catch the start. It is also helpful that the outcome is sparsely covered so I am still surprised (or at least it is unknown) by the outcome.

I do the same with NASCAR. Just watch the good parts.

F1 is a sport for the rich boys to play. Yes many of the early drivers were common men, but many "bought" their rides and it has always been associated with European aristocracy. It's hard to sell that here in the US. NASCAR was started by a bunch of every day guys that wanted to play on a track. It is more of a common mans sport with roots in the barn and corner gas station. Today it is has grown into a big money business, but it is still grassroots with local NASCAR tracks running Modifieds, etc that are a part of NASCAR.

The management of NASCAR knows that the most important connection is the fan/driver connection and the support of their sponsors. Notice the first words out of any drivers, crew chiefs, or owners mouth. "I want to thank the fans, the sponsor and every one for their support. " They actively work to promote the entire sport to the regular guy. I have seen drivers at The Glen sign autographs for over an hour and not once ask for a penny.

F1 is starting to do the same with car appearances and and F1 experiences, but they are far behind NASCAR on public relations and connecting with the regular fans.