FIA Homologation Papers for Alfa Models

[akitaman]

Now if we could find proof of that 69 1750 GTam racing in the states before 1970, I can get my GTam project entered in Solvren.

[genericwood]

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Originally Posted by andyb6 ERIK ....845kg with a driver!

[andyb6]

Erik

essentially yes.

VSCDA states that they will honor SCCA or FIA rules, since the GTAM only ran in FIA you should be a shoe-in.

Akitaman,

I am not familiar with Sovern, however most vintage organizations will honor FIA prepared cars. As Erik had brought up before, you mat have your own class so race results might be boring, but how fun it would be to beat up on some 911's and Loti!

Andy

[genericwood]

Andy, I just checked the VSCDA website. Under the GCR section, an update has been entered dated February 2007. It lists the weight for a 1962cc Alfa GTV in B/S as 2182 pounds, and a 1779cc as 2135 pounds. I have no idea why this has changed from their previous interpretation of 1.20 lb/cc. But I might consider running VSCDA events with 180 pounds of ballast, instead of the >350 pounds I would have had to run based on their previous rule set.

Were you aware of this change? Do you know where they are getting the numbers? They certainly don't favor a 1750 with only a 47 pound weight advantage over the 2000! Interestingly, they still list a 2L 911 in B-Sedan at a lighter weight than the Alfa 2L. To my knowledge, the 911 never ran in SCCA B-Sedan!

Erik

[genericwood]

Oh yeah. They also list in B-Sedan a 1600 GTA at 1569 pounds and the 1600 GT at 1884. Guess that means if you run a twin plug engine, you get a 315 pound weight ADVANTAGE! I'll take a 1600 GTA at 1569 pounds any day against a 2L with a 500 pound weight disadvantage!

Erik

[Vitesse]

Now THAT's some good news!! It seemed weird that the 911 was going to have such a huge advantage.

And, I was wondering where the wife and kid were going to sit.

And, now if I could just get the fiberglass front-end on my Spider through tech...hmmm.

Ken

[andyb6]

Erik

If you read further VSCDA has 3 classes; Era correct which must be within 5% of weight, Mod 1 which must be within 10%, and Mod 2 which must be within 15%. So you probably won't have to throw on any weight.

[craeder]

Was the 2.0l engine homologated in the 2-headlight body? I have this combination and my run group is insisting I prove it's homogated somewhere...FIA or SCCA...I have searched the places you suggest above, but can't get into the resources area of the FIA website, and can't read the Italian link you guys noted above...

[craeder]

is the 2.0l engine homologated anywhere with the 2-headlight body? I tried the links above, but can't get into the FIA website and can't read Italian...I have this configuration but need proof before CVAR let's me race it...

thanks in advance,

Chris

[genericwood]

Chris, I am not aware of any homologation of the 2 headlight chassis as a 2000. But it seems ridiculous that CVAR would have a problem with it. SCCA has always considered the 750 and 101 spider chassis on the same spec line. And they don't even have the same wheelbase. The fact that the SCCA PCS doesn't do the same for GTV's is probably just because no one ever asked. My GTV is a 1750 chassis with a 2L. I was hoping to run the CVAR Thunder on the Cimarron this year. But if they have a problem with your 2 headlight 2-liter, they probably wouldn't like my small tail light 1750 either!

Heck, I'll bet they even let Bugeye sprites run with 1100 or 1275's in G-Prod. If so, ask them if that was homologated until recent years!

Erik

[GTV4EVR]

The joys of vintage racing! In Canada, VARAC will not allow us to run that combo (if you are Canadian). The engine must be correct for the model. That also means no "big" engined Bug Eyes either.

[chfu]

Does anyone know if the South African built GTV 6 3.0 was probably homologated by FIA to run in the South African Touring Car series? Also when were the cars run in the South African Touring Car series?

[craeder]

So I took my 1966 2-headlight GTV with it's 2l engine to CVAR this past weekend for it's maiden voyage. Ran great 'til I blew up the close ratio dogbox. Hadn't ever driven a dogbox before, seemed a little finicky and certainly delicate given the results, but otherwise the car ran great.

So then came time to get my logbook...

the car weighed in at 2062lbs and CVAR wants the 1.2lbs/ltr rule in effect starting next year and seems quite willing to start with me. Next they want either 4-headlights on the car or proof of a 2-headlight/2litre running pre 1972.

So I wonder if the discussion of the 1969 1750's earlier in the chain might be the answer. Were those 1969 cars 2-headlight vehicles and if I were to simply swap out the bottom half of the engine does that move me to the 1769*1.2=2135lbs targeted weight group solving both problems, for the most part?

[Wil Painter]

My 1600 GTV homologation papers show 2095 lbs (see below), which is what I've built to.
Wil

[genericwood]

Wil, I would guess that CVAR doesn't care about the FIA weights. They are operating on the SCCA B-Sedan rules which were 1.2 pounds per cc for DOHC cross-flow engines. But I think you know that. I am surprised, however, that they are worried about running a 2-liter in an early 105 chassis. Do they really require every Bugeye Sprite to have a 948? Or will they let you run an 1100 or 1275 in a faster class (i.e. GP or FP)? I was hoping to run a couple CVAR events in my '66 GTV with 2-liter next year. Guess I won't!

And to Craeder's question. I'm not aware of ANY 2-headlight 2-liter GTV's. The 1750's started the 4-headlight chassis in '68. There were some 2-headlight cars build after the 1750 was introduced, but they were 1300-1600 engines. Why in the world do these organizations care whether your GTV has 2 headlights or 4? Do they question whether the '65 Mustang came with a 289 or a 6 cylinder. What matters is what is in it now.

Erik