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By The Way (BTW), SNAFU is an acronym for Situation Normal, All Fouled Up. But you can replace the F word with any F word you prefer and it still means the same.
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07-12-2011, 01:23 AM
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Where is all that criticism to team orders now? i'm sorry a little for Webber, it's becoming a poor man.
Also I have an idea, if the engine could be used for aero purposes, why not recover the Brabham BT46 concept with it's fan... definitely the blown diffuser matter is turning a farce.
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Love team orders or hate them, they're currently legal.
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...Also I have an idea, if the engine could be used for aero purposes, why not recover the Brabham BT46 concept with it's fan... definitely the blown diffuser matter is turning a farce.
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Farce is a good description for changing technical rules in the middle of the season. Still, whatever it takes to help Ferrari can always be justified...
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Where is all that criticism to team orders now? ...
Love team orders or hate them, they're currently legal.
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I would start the criticism with that fact that Red Bull criticized Ferrari last year saying they would never enact team orders and they re-iterated it this year. They said their drivers are free to race. They did the right thing for the team and no complaints there. They just need to admit they are big hypocrites.
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No one remembers what team "Energy Drink" bitched about last year.
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They said it this year too. Maybe they should have kept quiet this year since it's not prohibited anymore. It would have given them the option to use it without looking silly.
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hypocritical, self-serving team management in F1? I'm shocked ... just shocked...
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07-12-2011, 10:08 PM
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hypocritical, self-serving team management in F1? I'm shocked ... just shocked...
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Has the world gone mad? It seems there is no honor these days... or shame. And no love for Webber either. I wonder, how much time is left on his contract? But would he bolt? Where could he go to find a better ride and more respect? More respect might be an attainable goal. The other item...maybe not so much.
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Sorry, Larry, but there appears to be very little honor behind the scenes in F1, either the teams or the organizers. Left to his own devices, Bernie would have pocketed their cash and raced in Bahrain; nothing going on there that some PR and a Kevlar vest can't handle. Ferrari gets mid-season rules changes to try to make them more competitive. Red Bull says "we don't issue team orders--just ignore that stuff on the radio". I'm afraid it's as ruthless as any other major corporate enterprise.
And the drivers are just as unsentimental. So, unfortunately, Webber has no real options. There are only three competitive teams; the only seat that could be in play is Massa, and that can't go to Webber. So moving means losing. And it's much better to stay put, get podiums and maybe the occasional win. He's not getting respect at Red Bull, but there's no respect in driving a lousy car to a mid-pack finish, either.
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...Ferrari gets mid-season rules changes to try to make them more competitive...
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Ferrari have said nothing to impose new rules, in fact they agree with RB and McL than the rules change are not good for the F1 as a sport, and even though they have won the British GP they agree to turn back to the rules at the Europe GP (Valencia) about diffuser blowing and engine maps.
The technical side of the Ferrari victory at Silverstone was a new front and rear wing package together with a new diffuser.
Both FA and SV agreed after the British GP that the blown diffuser and the engine maps matter has very little to do with the race results.
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Ferrari gets mid-season rules changes to try to make them more competitive.
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Is it really a rule change or were teams just breaking the rules and they are now trying to enforce them...
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The technical side of the Ferrari victory at Silverstone was a new front and rear wing package together with a new diffuser.
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Agreed
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Is it really a rule change or were teams just breaking the rules and they are now trying to enforce them...
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No, the teams using blown diffusers were not breaking the rules. And I believe it's technically a "clarification" not a formal change to the F1 Sporting Regulations, but the teams were told that the current rules were now going to be interpreted in a way that makes what they were legally doing become illegal.
In any case, the decision was made to try to level the playing field, to help everyone but Red Bull and McLaren. And anyone who doesn't believe that Ferrari gets special consideration just isn't paying attention, or doesn't want to believe Bernie Ecclestone when he says so.
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I guess you get that the honor comment was tongue planted pretty firmly in cheek, Ed. And as far as rules changes "advantaging" one entrant over another, well that old saying "what's good for Ferrari is good for F1" didn't come about by accident. I think people just expect Ferrari to be on the podium all the time and in the top spot pretty often. Like people in the south think Chevrolet is supposed to win NASCAR, and if they don't then Ford (or Dodge or Toyota) cheated somehow. Give the fans what they want. That's the promoter's job. At least F1 is not a spec class like Indy Car, ...yet. You guys all understand, I hope, that this is all just my own doo-doo headed opinion. I don't have to be right, just hard headed about it.
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...or doesn't want to believe Bernie Ecclestone when he says so.
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Bernie "chochea" is too much old.
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..., well that old saying "what's good for Ferrari is good for F1" didn't come about by accident. I think people just expect Ferrari to be on the podium all the time and in the top spot pretty often. Like people in the south think Chevrolet is supposed to win NASCAR, and if they don't then Ford (or Dodge or Toyota) cheated somehow. Give the fans what they want. ...
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The difference is that Nascar continually tweeks the rules to equalize all the teams, because close racing and close finishes make for better entertainment. F1, on the other hand, calculates the benefit for only one team.
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