Racing a 164?

[AlfaTaso]

Fellows, I have raced and weight neither car, but I have parted out both. SO I can tell you what weighs what. Exactly.

The 164 has Heavy bloody accesories. Just the rear bumper (USA) weighs 89 pounds. The front weighs only 15 pounds so I would leave be. Hood: 122. Doors weigh 137 pounds each; driver weighs 142 (go figure). Seats (front) are a whopping 65 pounds each the rear is a feather at 12 and 15 pounds.
AC and heating all together around 250 pounds.
Get rid of the 53 pound Trunk and the 97 pound sunroof, and you got yourself a kick *** race car; and screw the weight balance

The Milano on the other hand was made out of recycled Pepsi cans it feels like since everything weighs half the above values. The hood is 77. The doors I have not weighed yet but I can carry two at a time when I needed help for the bloody 164 ones.
Front bumper: 117 Rear: ?

After all was removed, the 164 could be moved by 1 person.
The Milano felt the same.

I really do think that what makes the Milano heavy is the Steel in the chassy, and the heavy De Dion, setup which, though alluminum still, covers a lot more area than the drivetrain of the 164. Think about it; the 164 has almost no weight for the rear supension. The Milano may be more balanced but it has the huge DeDion bar to cope with and the much larger transmition. (or is it my imagination?)

Bottom line: Must be nice to have an extra LS lying around collecting dust; strip it and race it Jorgen!!!
Make us proud man!!!!
Cheers

[BigSwede]

I'll ask how much the racing 164 weighs and we'll know for sure. A stripped 75 TS weighs 2100 lb.

Zamani: you mean two turbos? Gimme a target HP number...

[junglejustice]

Tony Soper in the UK raced a 164 for a long time. (The yellow car...) 1040 kilos - that's what? 2285 pounds with a full cage...!

With full cage I am gong to be lucky to hit 2300 in the Milano and you guys see what i am doing to it!

What makes a lighter race car at the ed of the day is not how light they are starting out, (like a tin-can Milano), but how much you can remove from a car (like from a porker such as a 164!)

I can BARELY pick up a 164 front door by myself! Fiberglass/carbon panels, side-impacts removed, all glass replaced with plexi, the bumpers, the seats (they're heavier than a mother!) The dash - all of it - I can see 2200 pounds.

Believe me - I have toyed with the idea for a long time (I was even sitting on te donour car for a long time!)

The full-race 156 back in SA is a DREAM to drive hard on the track - FWD or no FWD. It is fast! With a 3.7 in it, the thing is down-right scary even on a tight track like Zwartkops. I can see a lightened, full-race 164 with a 156 6-speed conversion (such as what I am doing on the 3.45 road 164 right now), a mean Glenwood 3.7, an LSD and off you go to pick on pretty much anything out there!

[beatle_bayly]

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Originally Posted by AlfaTaso ........ I really do think that what makes the Milano heavy is the Steel in the chassy, and the heavy De Dion, setup which, though alluminum still, covers a lot more area than the drivetrain of the 164. Think about it; the 164 has almost no weight for the rear supension. The Milano may be more balanced but it has the huge DeDion bar to cope with and the much larger transmition. (or is it my imagination?)....... Cheers

[Gabor K.]

4WD

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-168-1991-1995/11255-164-bimotore.html

[Denny164l]

Bro I would race 164 anyday man. I Love driving my 164L fast around turns and even with the stock suspendsion it sticks to the ground and It pulls through a turn when I accellerate with very little understeer. these cars are amazing I can imagine if I did a whole suspendsion upgrade this car would rule.

[azzaob]

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Originally Posted by Denny164l Bro I would race 164 anyday man. I Love driving my 164L fast around turns and even with the stock suspendsion it sticks to the ground and It pulls through a turn when I accellerate with very little understeer. these cars are amazing I can imagine if I did a whole suspendsion upgrade this car would rule.