06-19-2005, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by deltahf_2
ah, the Ferrari conspiracy again, how quaint. As the Speed crew noted, if Bridgestone was the one with problems no one, least of all the Michelin teams, would have agreed to change the rules to favor the 6 Bridgestone cars, and certainly in such a situation if the rules were changed it would be a "Ferrari conspiracy" as well. Anyway, keep those Ferrari and MS conspiracy posts coming.
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06-19-2005, 01:28 PM
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I'm most upset by those classless fools throwing stuff on the track.
I agree with the FIA's decision. You don't change a track design at the 11th hour to accomodate poor preparation by some of the competitors.
Michelin decided to act like the cheese eating surrender monkeys they are.
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06-19-2005, 01:47 PM
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As the Speed crew noted, if Bridgestone was the one with problems no one, least of all the Michelin teams, would have agreed to change the rules to favor the 6 Bridgestone cars, and certainly in such a situation
Not only that but this did happen basically, in Spain, Ferrari's intermediates werent safe, Ferrari opted out, noone complained. I guess the FIA cant control the weather to help the ferrari wins? hehe :P
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06-19-2005, 01:49 PM
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For all of those dissing Michelin:
Michelin teams did not ask for a chicane without penalty to them. Michelin teams were willing to let Bridgestone cars start from the front and on top of that all Michelin teams would have accepted an one lap penalty.
How would you have solved the problem that they found out on friday?
-Jani
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06-19-2005, 01:52 PM
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I feel vindicated in what I've stated in the past. Tire/Tyres rule should be scraped!! But, as a Ferrari fan for over twenty years I'm thrilled that Michlen got burnt this rule has come back to bite them in the ***. Ferrari has lost most of their season struggling to get a tire. Well they have made progress only to watch Michelin struggle as of late.
I said earlier somone would have to die before changes are made with this rule. I was wrong the cry babies who manage the other teams solved the problem. I understand safety is important but when I said this rule was not safe many many of you chewed me out. Well hurray for me! Hurray for Bridegstone!! Shame on bottle throwing people!
Lets change the track because we failed to make our tire safe too bad for you. Nice to see the shoe on the other foot. Didn't see Ferrari say or do anything but work with this new rule.
Love it made my weekend Forza Ferrari
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06-19-2005, 02:02 PM
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I agree that the tire rules in place now needed changing but I DO NOT wish to see F1 return to a single tire series.
Competition is a GOOD thing.
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06-19-2005, 02:12 PM
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Yes,
have the different tire companies and have tire changes just like before. Finally I guess the rule hasn't helped F1. All it did was hinder Ferrari but all is well now...hmm not anymore where are the all in favor of the tire rule people now. Cleaning egg off their faces?
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06-19-2005, 02:21 PM
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Well, the US fans continue to embarrass.
I'm watching with a TiVO delay and just heard the fans were throwing beer cans as the cars came in post race.
I wish there were a way to let the drivers know those fools are a minority.
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06-19-2005, 02:49 PM
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Well I understand those fools must be pissed off tickets are not cheap and some of those people came from Canada and elsewhere. You pay big bucks to see 6 cars?
I don't know if they realized how dangerous it could have been. Anyway look forward to see what changes if any will take place.
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06-19-2005, 02:50 PM
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Whatever, I'm sure at any of the other more traditional venues - especially - italy/spain/france/britain etc - if this had happened there you would have fans throwing beer or whatever on the track. Seems to happen often enough during the football matches there.
I'm glad I didn't spend an entire day driving down and back in additional to a few hundred dollars for a no-show. Last year I took two people from my work down there who were new to F1 even though they liked car things. The race wasn't very exciting but I have no how I would have explained what happened today. I suppose part of the reason I didn't go this year is because it was a big effort and I only live like 3 hours away. I'd be hugely annoyed if I had gone this year - and I understand F1...
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06-19-2005, 03:10 PM
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Well in short I understand the fans for being upset and under the circumstances hey they could have acted worse.
My problem is with the rule changes made this year I don't blame some of the drivers but some teams said they had no problems with their tires.
Anyway F1 remains my number one sport and they will rise above I'm sure.
I think the problem is also the track it is an oval track at least the banking is I think they should race on a better track suited for F1. I fully understand the history and importance of Indy.
Lets hope things move in a positive fashion now.
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06-19-2005, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottJ175
Michelin decided to act like the cheese eating surrender monkeys they are.
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Nine of the ten teams agreed to either put in a chicane, forego championship points or allow the Bridgestone cars start from the first six grid positions. The FIA, and Ferrari, said no.
I think one must keep in mind that the one race tire rule has resulted in different tire constructions that, since there's no testing on the F1 track at Indy, could not be tested prior to race weekend. Coupled with this was a recent poor resurfacing of the track that resulted in both the Indy cars and NASCAR canceling testing because of track conditions. The surface then had to be 'ground down'. So the track was a complete unknown. Did Bridestone get it right and Michelin wrong? It would seem so. Firestone BTW, the sister company of Bridgestone, was the tire supplier for all the teams at the Indy 500 three weeks ago.
I think the FIA is to blame on this one for absolute refusal to compromise on an issue that, IMO, they created in the first place.
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06-19-2005, 04:22 PM
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Did you expect Ferrari to say yes? They have been severly hurt by the new rule. Your repeating what the comentators said in regards to getting info from Firestone. We have no proof of that.Don't repeat nonsense. What we have is a bunch a race car drivers who decided it was unsafe because of Michelin or lack of testing whatever... They felt it was unsafe.
Why should the FIA compromise? Why didn't the drivers slow down on the turn in question? Because it wasn't just the one turn. It was lack of preperation caused by what? Not being able to see the surface? I can't belive they had no access.
Did Bridgestone? Did Firestone? Okay lets say they had Indy cars and Nascar with their tires. The set up is not F1 and the cars are completly different.
Who is to blame? Which governing body decided to make changes to even out the playing field? I'll say it again good!! If Ferrari was the only team going around on a crappy track like Indy so be it.
I personally think they should have attempted to race my opinion. Coming out for one track lap why? They really stuck it to the people who drove and spent big bucks for nothing.
Anyway who can guarantee the integrity of tires? Ferrari and Bridgstone thats who.
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06-19-2005, 04:34 PM
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The Michelin teams volunteered to give the BStone runners all the points, install a chicane, and have a RACE. The FIA chose otherwise.
So Ferrari and Bstone teams get all the points and Michelin teams got none...but there would have been a race!!!! The Michelin teams even suggested the points be awarded BEFORE the event to only the bridgestone runners in qualifying order.
Something that the Michelin bashers have not thought about. The track was recently resurfaced...
It is clear that the FIA and Ferrari have no respect for the people that make their jobs possible. The fans. Reasonable, mature adults should have been able to agree on a senario that resulted in a race.
It is only fair Bstone runners are granted points. But what harm would be done running 20 cars
for the fans who spent a hefty sum for a F1 ticket and have to watch 2 Ferraris??
Points would still be awarded to Ferrari.
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06-19-2005, 04:48 PM
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Clearly this is all Tony George's fault.
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