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My how things have changed! Hate the new rules! Please change the tires!
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There is no doubt that Ferrari has had more than their share of bad luck this year, and certainly Bridgestone was caught out by the one tire set rule change, but I wouldn't write the season off quite yet. Michael should have won Imola (if only he had driven there like he did yesterday), was quick and probably would have gotten a podium in Spain, and set the fast lap yesterday. All it takes is a couple DNFs for Alonso and Michael is back in it - especially if Rubens can come to grips with the car and push Alonso and Kimi back a place. These days the winds in F1 seem to shift very quickly, so if Ferrari and Bridgestone develop a combination that can get them on the first or second row in qualifying they will be competitive.
That said, with the engine spec changing next year, I wonder how much development will be done if Ferrari falls too far back? I would not be surprised to see Ferrari, BAR, Red Bull, Williams, and even Toyota begin to scale back development on their current cars if Alonso/Kimi dominate the next three races.
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I don't think Bridgestone has the extreme long distance experience that Michelin has(Le Mans,Spa and other long endurance races).But Bridgestone has been with Ferrari with all of there current championships,and I'm sure the have a good understanding of what it takes to win.I just hope they can figure out a tire compound soon so the whole season isn't a wash.Plus i'm going to the U.S. grand prix and I'd like to see a Ferrari win.
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I think mclaren is going to run away with it, which is ok since I had thought renault would win this year. Bridgestone is at a significant disadvantage because Ferrari is the only team giving them feedback and test data while Michelin has all the other teams doing work for them.
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05-23-2005, 09:23 AM
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Well apparently you can email fia and let them know your feeling on the new rule changes. I for one hate them and will be venting they have ruined this sport with idiotic changes. Qualifying is ridiculous and have people check tire temperature no comment. They want people to advise them on how they feel I will have to refrain from swearing.
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05-23-2005, 09:56 AM
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Best F1 season in years!!!!!!!!
Finally there is something called "competition" in the sport of F1. Sadly it has come at the expense of the Ferrari team. We should not forget how they enjoyed a technical advantage when Bridgestone was new and Goodyear was on the way out. It is hard to believe that Ferrari was beat by the last car on the grid.
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I don't believe Bridgestone is inherently bad, they just have to find a way for their tires to come in quicker. Michael was setting fastest lap by the end of the race yesterday.
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I think Ferrari like having an "exclusive" deal with Bridgestone (Jordan & Minardi being the only other Bridgestone runners) because they can have the tires designed specifically for themselves. The Michelin runners must share the design.
Lastly, what was Villenueve thinking in the closing laps trying a banzai move on his teammate Massa and almost taking them both out?
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I think mclaren is going to run away with it, which is ok since I had thought renault would win this year. Bridgestone is at a significant disadvantage because Ferrari is the only team giving them feedback and test data while Michelin has all the other teams doing work for them.
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I personally think it is great for the sport and great for MS's reputation if he comes back next year.
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My how things have changed! Hate the new rules! Please change the tires!
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The rules were in place to slow down the cars and also make ferrari go down somewhat. Well does someone have to die before they realize how stupid the rules are!
Nothing like F1 speeds with blistered tires lucky Rimi didn't hit Buton car. What a joke this season has become make a champion out of Alonso who feels he pressured Rikanen to wearing out his tire. Did he look at his? This guy is an *******!
Shumi suffers from bad luck as well the accident in the beginning of the race made him almost dead last.
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Amen. Not only does this stupid rule turn F1 into a tire series, it endangers the safety of the drivers. F1 was very lucky today that Kimi's suspension didn't fail somewhere else on the track or in traffic - it could easily have been a disaster. Change the tires, let the drivers race and race safely.
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KR made a mistake and damaged his tyre ... McLaren and KR then gambled on the tyre lasting. It didn't. They could have changed it on safety grounds but choose not to.
This is absolutely no different to Mansells Adleide decision back in the 90's or 80's ...
Many times before drivers have flat spotted tyres and the vibration has caused components to fail ... again no different.
Also many other race series run with no tyre changes and perfectly safe.
Saying that this one tyre rule per race is dangerous is as stupid as saying having one driver per race is dangerous, 'cause they might get tired or something, OR one wing per race as the wing might not hold up for a whole race. Tyres can be made to easily last a whole race ... heck the tyres on our road cars last many years and hundreds of race laps. Thus the tyre designers, just like the designers for any other component of the car have a performance (weight, etc.) balancing act to solve ... just like they did before. The only difference is before they designed the tyre to only last say 30 laps ... thus the tyre would have been even lighter AND just as dangerous.
All over the internet this rediculous debate is wasting band width ... those that raise it need to sit down and think about what goes into designing a race car. EVERYTHING on a race car is designed only to last as long as needed OR the rules allow. Thus if they fail before meeting that designed life then the designer OR driver fncked up, simple as that. Now there are many, many things on a race car that if fail could cause an accident ... like wheels, wishbones, bolts that hold the many components together, drivers safety belts, steering wheel ... you get my point by now I hope. All the components I just mentioned have to last a whole race long ... and many times in the past we have seen some of them fail ... even engine failures or gearbox failures sometimes cause an accident.
Are you proposing that because there might be an accident in a race that what? ... we should ban motor racing or something?
In conclusion: KR did not get hurt, neither would have Button if KR had taken him out. And heck accidents many times are caused by drivers (ie. stupid Webber in the first corner) ... should we now ban Webber because he MIGHT cause an accident, 'cause his brain has not been properly designed to last a whole race 
Think about it guys ... there is nothing more dangerous about this current tyre rule. Argue by all means that you do not like it, but not on safety grounds 'cause that is just stupid!
Pete's logical opinion
ps: motorracing is dangerous ... accidents WILL happen, focus needs to be on ensuring the driver and spectators are as safe as possible when an accident happens ... lets not neuter the sport with uninformed views of what necessitates increased risk.
Next minute you guys will be debating that the carbon tubs should be changed during a pitstop ... mid race . Yep even the tub has a designed life.
I appologise for my bluntness ... I'm just completely sick and tired of reading this incorrect angle of debate. Please just be honest and say you do not like the rule. Remember back in the 70's, 80's, 90's and until Brabham found that by starting their car light they could run away and gain enough advantage to cover a pitstop for fuel ... we only had pitstops for damage or to retire a car. Same tyres lasted just fine. Then Bernie tried to debately improve the show and forced fuel stops ... nothing to do with safety, infact safety went backwards. Then the teams thought, heck we might as well change the tyres so we can run stickier and lighter tyres (thus the tyres were designed for even shorter lives, and thus not as safe). Thus we have returned to the way it was ... hopefully soon the fuel stops will go and we atlast will return to real racing, ie. it happens on the track, instead of in the boring pits (but that is just my opinion).
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Well you missed the point my opinion
Tires should be replaced! KR. with a few laps left in the lead gambled and lost.
If there were tire changes I believe he would have faired better with fresh tires.
I never stated that motor racing should be banned but it's obvious to me that tire manufactures are having a tuff time making tires last. Drivers are at an increased risk. I said increased risk! Why should they be at a greater risk? You crystal ball told you that if he hit Button nothing would have happened. Brilliant!
Having one set of tires is stupid when traveling at 300km an hour your tire becomes worn out. Simple worn tires lose grip=accidents. It's black and white I cant compare to other forms of racing because for me I don't consider Nascar racing but a get together for hilblies to have beer and BBQ.
If you speak of rally racing, touring cars or even motor bikes okay but anything in the south like monster trucks, Indy is a joke. I believe you have to have skills but it's not my cup of tea.
I'll refrain from negative remarks for a sport I don't watch. Continuing with tires....
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"Think about it guys ... there is nothing more dangerous about this current tyre rule. Argue by all means that you do not like it, but not on safety grounds 'cause that is just stupid!
Pete's logical opinion
ps: motorracing is dangerous ... accidents WILL happen, focus needs to be on ensuring the driver and spectators are as safe as possible when an accident happens ... lets not neuter the sport with uninformed views of what necessitates increased risk."
Neuter the sport what the fck do you think all these rules one set of tires and same engine or the stupid qualifying has done. As far as I'm concerned they took a great sport and tried to market it to hillbillies like yourself. If not you then to Americans who think Willie Nelson can sing.
Ensuring drivers are safe then make a pit stop a pit stop change the tyres taking tire temperaturesoh that's brilliant and exciting .You don't wan't drivers crashing or loosing because of tire failure. I'm not a fan of KR.
Uniformed blow it out your *** you dumb ****en dick head you go on the road you place the best tires under your fat ***. Why shouldn't somone who is racing have the same privledge doing 300 km. Ask KR if crashing at that speed is fun.
"Nothing more dangerous?" Have you seen the last races? Alonso being passed because his tires have no grip.
Nothing like a tire hitting you in the head! Sorry maybe it has already.
The only good point you made was he had the option of changing they didn't.
Even the commentators stated that changes should be made because it's dangerous not to.
Why do Formula One cars now have to race with just one set of tyres throughout the race?
Formula One's governing body imposed sweeping technical changes designed to slash costs and improve the qualify of racing. (Thay failed)
Changes it hopes will enable low-budget teams to be more competitive will involve aerodynamics, tires and engines. (brilliant) Why don't we place blindfolds on athletes take your best QB blind fold him because he's too good.
The aim is to give F1's small-time players more of a chance against free spenders such as Ferrari, whose dominance threatens to drive away TV viewers bored by races with little overtaking or exciting wheel-to-wheel battles.
What should have taken place other teams should have improved by design of the cars not hinder a 7 time champion. But my prediction they will change the rules because there not as stupid as your opinion.
Maybe when a driver dies because of tire failure it might help the ratings. Just like the movies...heh heh that's some darn good racing huh ma?
Forgive my words if they offend you I didn't even look at your name and maybe I should have more respect for a fellow Alfista but then again I'm Italian and bleed red Ferrari. Your comments were more directed to someone else who shares my opinion.
There is a fine line with racing F1 has crossed it and for all you fans it is a sad day.
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Oh I missed the last part no more fuel stops and no tire changes okay take the pit strategy out completly. Running out of fuel hmmm exiting and I can do that to with my car exiting yes!
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Tires should be replaced! KR. with a few laps left in the lead gambled and lost.
If there were tire changes I believe he would have faired better with fresh tires.
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I never stated that motor racing should be banned but it's obvious to me that tire manufactures are having a tuff time making tires last. Drivers are at an increased risk. I said increased risk! Why should they be at a greater risk? You crystal ball told you that if he hit Button nothing would have happened. Brilliant!
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Just like the rest of the design team ... ie. make a wing strong enough to last the whole race, etc. (McLaren had trouble with that in 2003 also.)
There is no increased risk. They are allowed to change tyres for safety reasons, and they choose not to.
What you are forgetting is that last year Bridgestone and Michelin designed their tyres to last around 30 laps for the current rules. Thus the tyres were NOT as strong as this years tyres. You honestly do not think they over designed their tyres last year do you?. I bet the same safety factor is used this year ... again no difference.
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