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06-04-2008, 08:31 PM
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Supercharger or Turbo?
Alright, I am gonna want to be adding a little bit of horse power to my Milano Verde 88 and I would like to hear some of your input on which I should use....supercharger or turbo booster? Which do you think would be a better installment for the car and does anyone have any sites that have good deals for either accessories?
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06-04-2008, 11:35 PM
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I think you will need to draw us a picture here.
-Allowable cost
-Hp target
-Typical car useage (i.e. sunday driving, commuting, track only)
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06-05-2008, 05:39 AM
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http://www.hiperformancestore.com
The only place you'll find an off the shelf forced induction kit.
If you go turbo, you'll have to have things like manifolds custom designed and made.
ROCK ON
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06-05-2008, 11:52 AM
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Well I'm not looking to spend much more than about 1500, I don't even know if that's do able. If not than this will be a project for next sumer. But I am going to be using the car every now and then, I only drive my Milano on nice days and it has never seen winter. Always stored until the last snow fall. As for horses, I dont really care as long as it is more than what's already there. Im a speed freak! haha
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06-05-2008, 12:00 PM
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Well I just looked at the website you gave me Rookie and this isn't going to be cheap by any means. But thanks for the website tho Rookie
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06-05-2008, 12:25 PM
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unless you have the stuff to make a lot of custom parts yourself gregs SC is the best deal.
I think the first thing would be a programable FI
then the boost. but that would be over you price point.
but I think the L-jet is crap.
If you want to do things, having programable timming and fuel is a must.
but I think you will need more cash..
heck most shops start at 2K to do any job around here. even geting a new plastic bumper cover on a newer car will be over 2K. so unless you can do and make all the parts your self it is going to cost.
and even if you can the cost still adds up and the time adds up too.
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06-05-2008, 01:25 PM
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As for horses, I dont really care as long as it is more than what's already there. Im a speed freak! haha
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If it were my $1500, I would spend it on:
1) A mild suspension upgrade, to get rid of some body roll ($500)
2) Making sure the braking and cooling systems are working perfectly ($500)
and, MOST IMPORTANTLY:
3) Run the driver's school/time trials with the Chicago AROC chapter at Blackhawk Farms, and then again in the Fall at Road America. ($500 for both?) You will be amazed at what you can learn about yourself and your car, and how much faster (and safer) you will be with the power you already have!
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06-05-2008, 03:09 PM
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but this one goes to 11..
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This will still be over $1500 with labor and not as much hp as forced induction but how about a set of 164S cams and pistons? With ported heads and manifolds you could get 220 to 230 I'd guess.
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06-06-2008, 01:34 AM
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I second what JoeCab posted.
As a reference, if you are talking USD I'm about to spend double your budget on EFI alone.
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06-06-2008, 06:39 AM
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06-04-2008 10:31 PM jkramer9 wrote:
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Well I'm not looking to spend much more than about 1500, I don't even know if that's do able
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You want cheap performance. Get yourself a a 4/6 cyl import fogger 50-shot kit.
You want a full-time power adder? You're going to have to save-up some more. The SC is probably the better package. As mentioned before, turbo will require custom stainless exhaust manifold/$, & noone has an off-the-shelf turbo kit for this car, unless you can find a loose Callaway kit - and pony up ~10K for it.
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06-06-2008, 06:50 AM
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ToonR, if you read my very first few words I say it WILL be over $1500.
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06-06-2008, 09:52 AM
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I did Tango1, but it sounded like with labor, you'll be over $1500. That comes across as if just over. Contact Tommy F1 and ask what he spent on "S" liner/piston and cam conversion. I'm sure you'll find that it's well over $1500.00.
You'll spend that on new "S" cams by themselves - not even installed, maybe have enough left over to buy cam seals. And don't forget, you should install new tappets as well. at $25-40 each.
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06-06-2008, 10:09 AM
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Yea I should have said WAY over plus labor.
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06-06-2008, 01:29 PM
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On the flipside of that argument, full "S" conversion is probably the easiest and most cost efficient way to 210HP. That is, if you can find a reasonably mileaged wrecked 164S, pull the engine, & swap the necessary parts to go longitudinal. Less work than the liner/piston/cam swap methinks. Labor (and skill) is where the costs add up.
Anyhow,
Cheers and happy hunting!
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06-07-2008, 11:22 AM
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I'd recommend supercharger, once you have the $$$
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Originally Posted by jkramer9
Alright, I am gonna want to be adding a little bit of horse power to my Milano Verde 88 and I would like to hear some of your input on which I should use....supercharger or turbo booster? Which do you think would be a better installment for the car and does anyone have any sites that have good deals for either accessories?
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You could go with fewer mods than I have and still have a potent car, but I'm figuring you'd be hard-pressed to stay below $5000, assuming your present engine is fresh.
Horsepower isn't cheap, or everybody would have more!
The previous comments are right on...how will the car be used? My car at one time had S-cams and S-pistons, headers, Zat modified ECU, and Zat AFM. While that was OK until the ECU crapped out, it would have been better with a modern system such as the Haltech E6X I'm presently running. Still, just that feature, with the supporting components, would eat up your $1500.
Bill
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