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While I am waiting for some parts to finish my clutch pivot repair I would like to switch master cylinders.
I have a non Abs master (to install) but my manual only covers Abs brakes.
Can someone tell me which brake lines go where?
My (non abs) master has a open port on the front bottom and two open ports on the hydraulic tee mounted to the side.
This has been done so many times I thought I could find a thread, but I must not be very good at the search function.
Could someone point me in the right direction or post a diagram of the non abs master cylinder and the brake lines?
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Old 04-10-2008, 09:09 PM
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Download the brakes section of the manual from my site, the first half covers standard brakes.
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While I am waiting for some parts to finish my clutch pivot repair I would like to switch master cylinders. I have a non Abs master (to install) but my manual only covers Abs brakes.
Switching to non-ABS brakes is not as simple as swapping the master cylinders. You in fact will need to replace the entire pedal box assembly with one from a non-ABS car, including the non-ABS booster, proportioning valve, fluid reservoir and brake/clutch MCs, and the hard lines.
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And to add to Joe's comments on the hard lines, the front two are easy, and the rear is easier than it looks, there is a little coupling right under the firewall, so you can swap the lines from there, so it is not the entire rear brakes hard line. Also, if you still use cruise control, you will need to fabricate a part that will connect to the clutch pedal and activate the cruise switch (just like the brake light switch). Not that I use cruise that much anymore, but it is a very nice system on the Milano, very smooth, even with an aftermarket ECU.
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Switching to non-ABS brakes is not as simple as swapping the master cylinders. You in fact will need to replace the entire pedal box assembly with one from a non-ABS car, including the non-ABS booster, proportioning valve, fluid reservoir and brake/clutch MCs, and the hard lines.
I Know, I have all this from a parts car, its just been so long since I removed it I could not remember which line went where.
Thanks Craig, nice web site!
The non ABS pedal box and master are in today. One front line will fit, the other will need and extension which I can make using the hard line that went from the pump to the ABS master and the rear one I will have made up at the local hydraulic shop. Have to wait until monday
Thanks for the quick response, I've been wanting to do this since the last time I bought an ABS pump. The light came on when sitting in traffic with the AC on in hot weather, a new accumulator did not fix it, however insulating the pump with a heat shield helped.
Seemed like a good time to convert with the car out of action anyway.
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Don't know if this pic will be of any help or not but here it is anyway. From my Verde that has had this swap done. We are currently doing the same swap on our 24 Hrs of Lemons Verde and are trying to locate a set of the hard lines to hook up the master. We had a couple non-ABS masters lying around but I guess never saved any of the hard lines.

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