Greg's anti power steering conversion and momo wheel - Page 4

Tuomas · #46 (**permalink**) 02-15-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NMMilano

Do the TS (euro75) even have power steering??

nizam · #47 (**permalink**) 02-15-2008, 02:32 PM

NMMilano - in other parts of the world where the Alfa 75's were sold, all models came standard with power steering, except for the 1.6-liter twincam versions (the base of the base!) I have literature from a variety of markets, from "back when they were new" and outside of the aforementioned base 1.6-liter cars, the ZF power steering rack and pump were installed in each car. Both in right-hand-drive as well as the left-hand-drive models.

Grant · #48 (**permalink**) 02-15-2008, 03:06 PM

Nizam,

Why on ebay.it are there so many 75 racks that are listed as Spica? Are you saying that all power racks are ZF?

nizam · #49 (**permalink**) 02-15-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Grant

Nizam,

Why on ebay.it are there so many 75 racks that are listed as Spica? Are you saying that all power racks are ZF?

NMMilano · #50 (**permalink**) 02-16-2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nizam

NMMilano - in other parts of the world where the Alfa 75's were sold, all models came standard with power steering, except for the 1.6-liter twincam versions (the base of the base!) I have literature from a variety of markets, from "back when they were new" and outside of the aforementioned base 1.6-liter cars, the ZF power steering rack and pump were installed in each car. Both in right-hand-drive as well as the left-hand-drive models.

Greg Gordon · #51 (**permalink**) 02-18-2008, 05:11 PM

To further complicate things, there are at least two different ZF racks in U.S. Milanos. Generally the later ones have a different rack, but I have seen early cars with the later rack. I don't know if these were overhauled replacements or what.

On the subject of converting them to manual, I firmly believe that's the way to go. I recently met with a person who disagreed with me. He explained that it's all about the condition of the power steering pump, rack, seals, blah blah blah. Well, condition is important, but I drove his car and it was harder to steer than a Milano with the manual conversion.

Greg

AR4me · #52 (**permalink**) 02-18-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Gordon

...I drove his car and it was harder to steer than a Milano with the manual conversion.

Greg

Brent Hampstead · #53 (**permalink**) 02-18-2008, 11:26 PM

Jes,

I completely agree.

My Twinspark was a dedicated road car and I had the power steering rack and pump rebuilt, which resulted in a great road package. Now that it has found a new home on the track, I have taken out power steering in favour of a "manualised" Twinspark rack. I much prefer the manual version for the track as it has a lot more feedback from the front wheels. The weight saving and minor HP increase are also well worth the effort. It also means one less hydraulic component that can fail under race conditions.

Brent

sh0rtlife · #54 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 12:42 AM

does anyone have any comparison of a manualized milano rack compared to say a gtv6 rack..same tires and all that nonsense?....got a leaky milano rack and am the type that i prefer manual brakes and manual steering over power assisted...i just want to make sure that the conversion isnt much stiffer or harder to turn than a gtv6 rack in the same situation

Mezevenf · #55 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 03:28 AM

I've used my car as non-power and power and I prefer it with power steering to be honest, both on and off track.

However, if I had a faster manual rack I think I'd prefer that for track.

Greg Gordon · #56 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008, 03:11 PM

Jes, just to clarify, I am not saying that a well operating power steering system is harder to steer. The point of that story was that this guy had a poorly operating power steering system that was harder to steer than a manual system. Yet, due to either ignorance or placebo effect, he never knew it.

Right now at my house, I have multiple GTV6, a Milano with no power steering and a Milano with power steering. Above 5 mph, the difference in steering effort between any of the cars in negligible. Below 5mph the power steering is helpful, especially with wider tires, but certainly not critical.

Greg

NMMilano · #57 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008, 06:58 PM

My Alfa mech. added "Automatic transmission stop leak" and so far its working, no more puddles. Its a little harder to steer when cold, but only the first 2 minutes or so.

I dont know Greg, or anyone else on the forum, but I trust his opinion (maybe its that excellent web site) so if this does'nt last I will try converting to manual. I can always go back to a remanufactured rack and only be out my labor.

Grant · #58 (**permalink**) 02-20-2008, 07:13 PM

I just put in Lucas Oil's Steering fluid stop leak also about a week ago. It seems to be working, but I figured my rack needed a rebuild anyhow, I don't mind if it didn't work. We'll see if this works out or not.

**Alex Csank** · #59 (**permalink**) 04-30-2008, 02:31 PM

Well, I've run into my 4th MIlano leaky steering rack!! Trogdor now has a significant leak. I am going to try the Lucas stop leak stuff first, but if that doesn't work, I might just change to a GTV6 manual steering arrangement. Paul at Difatta Brothers does this and it isn't too costly. Kathleen may not like it, but I think eventually Trogdor will evolve into more of a track car, so the A/C, ABS and power steering may all go eventually.

NMMilano · #60 (**permalink**) 04-30-2008, 11:30 PM

I just got my car back on the road after lots of work, including going manual on the steering. (full GG style conversion)
What a pleasant suprise backing out of the driveway, much easier than expected. As long as the car is moving the steering effort is minimal.

It's on long high speed turns ( off ramps) where there is alot of effort required.

Anyone else experience this? I wonder if they could take out some castor when its alligned? Any body have good specs for allignment?