12-02-2006, 02:39 PM
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Joe, perfect statement, the transaxles are only what they are because of this design.
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I also wonder if the rear tranny hurts transisitonal handling because the two ends of the car are heavy.
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Grant, I think that the transition of the weight is a small worry. The transmission sits lower and right over the rear wheels, it is not at an 'end' of the car so to speak, so it shouldnt have a huge effect in turns, the only shift would be during acceleration.
I'd also like to add that although everyone here says that the v6's are a bit nose heavy, on both of my milano's in stock form they've been perfectly neutral in handling characteristics, there has never been oversteer in any form.
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12-02-2006, 04:37 PM
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This is probably not the place to ask but we are on the subject: has anyone tried the monkey shifter kit from Performatek?
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12-02-2006, 05:01 PM
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This is probably not the place to ask but we are on the subject: has anyone tried the monkey shifter kit from Performatek?
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This is just a "kit" of OEM bushings and linkages, not a performance mod. Shifter will feel like new - which is better than most.
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12-02-2006, 07:30 PM
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This is probably not the place to ask but we are on the subject: has anyone tried the monkey shifter kit from Performatek?
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I just realized how off topic this thread got 
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Back on topic: I need to start video taping all my little adventures on the road and putting them on youtube to shut up all you Milano haters.
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12-02-2006, 07:44 PM
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Back on topic: I need to start video taping all my little adventures on the road and putting them on youtube to shut up all your milano haters.
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12-02-2006, 11:47 PM
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Back on topic: I need to start video taping all my little adventures on the road and putting them on youtube to shut up all you Milano haters.
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Don,
While I agree with what you're saying, don't you think having the rear mounted tranny positions it further away from the car's CG then a front mounted one? Thing is, I don't know how much the Milano tranny weighs, so I don't know if that's what's contributing to the not-so-quick turn-in or not. The large over-hangs might have something to do with it too.
And for the record, I love 116 chassis cars, I just don't think they're the perfect chassis design by any means. For instance, I believe a stock 240sx's (S13 and especially S14) handle quite a bit better than a stock Milano BUT you don't see me driving my 240 anywhere but to drift events, to be thrashed. Infact, I just sold my 240 due to lack of interest. Why I kept my Alfa instead of keeping the 240 should be obvious to anyone on this forum.
Sidebar: if you were wondering, S13's and S14's turn in really quickly, don't understeer too much if you over-cook the turn, and are one of the most controllable slide's I've experienced so far...hence their popularity with drifting. The S14 is the same, but stiffer chassis, and even less understeer.
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12-03-2006, 12:27 AM
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Okay i dont wanna sound like an idiot here but i have a quick question.
Is it possible to change the rear transaxle design and have a independent rear fabbed up or would it just be pointless?
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12-03-2006, 12:52 AM
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Wow, what a soap opera.
If I took the thread title literally, I'd say my 164 is faster than my 75. Hands down. No contest. The 164 doesn't just feel faster, it is.
My 75 will top out at around 6300rpm in fifth gear, my 24v 164 Super has hit 7,000rpm in fifth on numerous occasions. So, at least in my household, the 164 is faster. If you break out the gear ratios of each gearbox, and went through the math, you'll see that 7,000rpm in the 164 will be faster than 6,300rpm in the 75.... and for the record, stock Verdes have a redline of 5,750rpm (mine's non-stock).
BUT. I use the 75 on the track.
It's nimbler than my 164, it's also quicker in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears ... notice I made a distinction between the two terms. They both have different design philosophies, and I have one of each because they fulfill different segments of my driving requirements. One goes quickly, and the other is just plain fast! They're both blue, so color doesn't seem to be a factor 
OK, now that I've said all that, I'll undo it all by posting this picture:
What was that about weight transfer? 50-50 weight distribution? Nose-heaviness? FWD vs RWD?
And which is faster? The debate rages on 
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12-03-2006, 01:08 AM
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Uhh....why haven't I seen that picture before?? That's serious wallpaper material right there.
It's cool being able to see drop-spindles at work, rather than just talking about them. After reading up on roll-center's and how my A-arms now give me positive camber as I roll around, I really think I'll ante up for some drop spindles pretty soon. Is that how much roll you get with just the AUS t-bars, or did you get his sway bars too?
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Don,
While I agree with what you're saying, don't you think having the rear mounted tranny positions it further away from the car's CG then a front mounted one? Thing is, I don't know how much the Milano tranny weighs, so I don't know if that's what's contributing to the not-so-quick turn-in or not. The large over-hangs might have something to do with it too.
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A transmaxle with brakes and clutch still connected would weigh just over 200 pounds i believe. It surely takes two grown men to lift the beast, and even then it requires some effort.
Nizam, thats cheating...bringing a DOHC into the SOHC battle  . Nice pics though, I like what you've done with both of your cars. What year would that picture have been taken (the 164 in front of 75)?
10-66kruk, that would be a fairly painful job, although you would have nice independant gains, the de dion design is still a good design (even if it was first conceived in the 50's). The watts linkage provides acceleration from the center of the car, the way your car rolls allows weight shifting to provide better cornering. Although if someone were to try it and succeed im sure they'd be far less than frowned upon!
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Geese I did not know I would start WW3 posting this thread! It is however very informative. I have yet to go against lenard's Milano Verde with my 164L, so once that is done I will have an answer for you guys.
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Jon- You should throw a lightly modified 2.5 GTV6 in there too!
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12-03-2006, 10:51 AM
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Uhh....why haven't I seen that picture before?? That's serious wallpaper material right there.
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It's cool being able to see drop-spindles at work, rather than just talking about them. After reading up on roll-center's and how my A-arms now give me positive camber as I roll around, I really think I'll ante up for some drop spindles pretty soon. Is that how much roll you get with just the AUS t-bars, or did you get his sway bars too?
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No, I just have the 27mm Shankle bar up front and the stock Verde bar in the rear. Very, very slight understeer on street tires at lower speeds (e.g. turn 2 and turn 11 at Laguna) and neutral everywhere else. Race rubber all but kills the understeer. The Beninca torsion bars with their matched Koni's are just awesome. Usable on the street (firm, but nowhere near rattling your fillings out) but throw on the R-compound a | |
