Never ending more power conversation

**GTV Racer** · #1 (**permalink**) 10-03-2006, 12:43 PM

Just out of curiousity if I wanted to pull the 2.5 out of my Gold and drop in another engine and my choice was between a Verde engine or a 164L engine what would you do...assuming that I have all the parts and pieces to install the FWD 164L engine into a Milano? What are the differences between these engines? HP figures are pretty close??

**AR4me** · #2 (**permalink**) 10-03-2006, 01:09 PM

Assuming that both solutions come with their original ECU, harness, and everything. The main difference is that the 164 engine has a more modern engine management system - Motronic instead of L-Jetronic. Motronic is easier to chip, although I hear Unichip now can do the L-Jet cars.
Jes

slyalfa · #3 (**permalink**) 10-03-2006, 05:28 PM

if you can get a 164s or any 164 after xSN you will get the piston oilsquirters that will let you run more CR or more timming with out puting a hole in a piston.
if you search somewhere on the BB is a list of when they swiched over.
but you will need a 3L flywheel or some spacer/adapter and it will have to come apart to balence the parts. Now if you get a Verde motor with the front pully and flywheel you will not need to ballence it. but I would say if you have it out do it all, new pistons/new valve guides etc. And if you have it apart you might as well go for the hi CR pistons. so you will want the oilsquirters.

I put in a 164S in my Verde but I now need to take the heads off again as I did not redo them. and it turns out the valve guides are very bad and I am sucking a lot of oil in one cyl even with new valveguide seals. so I regret trying to save some there. I also used the old S pistons with new rings. if I had to do over I would have got all new. I used my old crank,rods, pully flywheel so I did not have it ballenced but used the 164S block and bad heads. The 164S was trashed my old Verde engine with 230Kmiles looked new inside so I did not think the 164 would be so bad but it was.. after talking to a lot of engine guys it seems that who ever had it last sandblasted somthing and the grit got inside and gound everything up. (never sandblast engine internals)

as a side note. my old block bearings were worn and I think that was why I had low oil PSI so if you get a Verde engine and do not want to do much at lest change the bearings.

MrT · #4 (**permalink**) 10-04-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by slyalfa

if you can get a 164s or any 164 after xSN you will get the piston oilsquirters that will let you run more CR or more timming with out puting a hole in a piston.
if you search somewhere on the BB is a list of when they swiched over....

DonBeeson · #5 (**permalink**) 10-05-2006, 01:00 AM

Off topic...in some sense..

This is what i want to do when money and time allows it....aka not in university
Go and get yourself a greg gordon supercharger, figure out how to custom mount a porsche 944 gearbox, move the clutch upfront.
Boost the engine to an insane amount of horsepower...using the stock 2.5

**GTV Racer** · #6 (**permalink**) 10-05-2006, 06:53 AM

At this point I'm leaning towards taking the 164L 3.0 and port, polish, chip it get some headers, free flow exhaust and I think that 220HP or so should do the trick. For now I'll drive the car as it is 'cause it sounds great!