03-11-2007, 01:37 AM
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The final thing was to put the engine in "for good"    Colin stopped by again in the evening and we lowered the converted S-engine into its new home. Finally it feels at home, longitudenally  As you can see there is plenty of room at the distributor - even allows servicing of cap and rotor. The engine is bolted in, starter connected, along with a few other little things.
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03-11-2007, 01:55 AM
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Nice work Jes! Looks like it'll be ready in good time for the Buttonwillow event! |
03-11-2007, 03:01 AM
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Still quite a few things left. The main remaining custom issues are intake plenum conversion, alternator bracket (for the mini denso alternator), exhaust, and then the fuel lines, fuel pump, and fuel filter,...
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03-11-2007, 07:11 PM
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A little progress today 
Painted the fuel cell frame, mounted the filler plate on the fender, and put the fuel cell in. I will relocate the battery box and mount fuel pump and filter in the trunk with the cell. I will be running non-stock fuel pump and filter, though still Bosch. I cleaned up old brakectry as I plan to re-use the stock mounting brackets. Anyway, hit a bump and too tired, so time for a break  Anyone seeing something very wrong in the last pic? 
Another question: The fuel cell instructions says to put a filter between the cell and the pump? Is that normal? I thought the Milano only has a filter between the pump and the engine (where I will obviously put one). Though, I believe the 164 has a "basket" in-tank. Any thoughts?
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03-11-2007, 08:18 PM
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A little .....Another question: The fuel cell instructions says to put a filter between the cell and the pump? Is that normal? ....Jes
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The reason for this is to help protect the pump from contamination.
I can't tell from the pictures, but how are you mounting the frame for the fuel cell to the car, and how are securing the cell to the frame? In most cases, the cell is mounted throught the frame, not on the frame as in your pictures.
Also, your fuel door appears to be below the top of the cell, you will probably have trouble getting fuel into the tank.
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Also, your fuel door appears to be below the top of the cell, you will probably have trouble getting fuel into the tank.
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The cell does sit INSIDE the frame. There will be straps going over it, holding it down. You can see the mounting points welded to the frame. What you can't see are M8x1.25 nuts welded to the back of the little plates. The frame for the fuel cell is welded to the car - both the trunk floor and the structural parts (the support for the mounting point of the springs).
Does the filter between the cell and pump need to have any particular properties? Different from the "regular" fuel filter?
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...Does the filter between the cell and pump need to have any particular properties? Different from the "regular" fuel filter? ...
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Not sure on that one. A solution to the filler problem would be to buy a different top incert for the cell, one with a screw-on cap, and angle it toward the back of the car. You'd have to use a funnel.
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The 45 degree neck unbolts and can be rotated in pretty much any angle. So, worst case I will point it backwards and use a funnel as you suggest.
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03-11-2007, 10:58 PM
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Some information on fuel pump and fuel filter. I opted for a Bosch racing fuel pump. It is used on Indy cars where it supports up to 700 HP (should be enough for my S-engine - I got it inexpensively). The fuel filter is also a Bosch and is used on Porsche Cup cars and Indy Light cars. It is from an 79-80 450 Mercedes - supposedly it filters down to 4 microns  So, the fuel pump is M18x1.5 in and M12x1.5 out. The fuel filter is M12x1.5 in and out, and hence I was planning to just bolt the two together without any fuel line inbetween. However, the fuel pump has the funky fitting on the output that does not mate well to the fuel filter. Does anyone know the function of this fitting? Can I simply take it off? I have metric to AN adapters for the fuel lines coming to the pump and going from the filter towards the engine. A pic or two is worth a 1000 words...
Any ideas?
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Are you using gravity feed to the main pump or using in tank pumps to feed the main pump? Inthe old IMSA IS Milano it has a similar looking fuel cell. It has two in tank pumps located on oppoiste sides of the cell. They join together outside the cell to feed the main fuel pump - similar in concept to a S3 or S4 Spider fuel tank setup.
I see you removed the spare tire well and relocated the battery to the trunk. Have you corner weighted the car? The position of your fuel cell can will effect your corner weights. Just a thought.
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Jes,
Look on www.mcmaster.com
Reference pages 175, onwards.
Looks like you have a quick disconnect fitting.
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Andrew,
Gravity. The Bosch pump shown in the pic will sit lower than the fuel cell, and it is the only pump - no in-tank pumps. Yup, this location may not be ideal, but time, money, etc. Though, I'm pretty sure the car is still nose heavy. By now it only has the transaxle in the back. Anyway, the trunk location isn't totally off, weight-wise, but like Anthony suggested, perhaps it should have been moved further back and lowered 13" "into" the trunk floor. Battery will get re-relocated into the cabin since I will put fuel pump and filter where I originally relocated the battery.
Dave,
Thanks for the link. I will check it out.
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BTW, I studied the trunk layout, and there is no way to mount the fuel door anywhere on the exterior of the trunk-area (fender etc) and get a slope towards the filler neck on the cell Looks like I will need to buy another neck, with cap, and simply fill directly in trunk 
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G'Day Jes,
The fitting on the pump looks like a 'banjo' fitting.
I understand the Bosch pumps don't suck very well. With the outlet from the tank on top, you may have trouble priming the pump.
You could mount the filler so that it protrudes through a hole in the trunk lid?
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03-12-2007, 01:28 PM
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You could mount the filler so that it protrudes through a hole in the trunk lid?
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I will take off that fitting - as long as it doesn't have any function, e.g. one-way check valve...
That reminds me, I will add a one-way check valve before the pump, and also a coarser filter (40-100 micron, perhaps screen type) between cell and pump.
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