01-27-2007, 04:31 AM
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Which type is more common/more widely available?
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This high resistance is more widely used today. The 164 style are also easier to find as they are the o-ring on both ends not the barb and hose attachment at the fuel rail.
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01-27-2007, 03:19 PM
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...Jes, I just don't know about running a 2.5 flywheel on that 3.0 motor... Not a good idea. The weights are different! You can keep the crank pulley and use a 3.0 Verde flywheel. Rebalancing the 2.5 flywheel stand-alone and trying to match balance-factors without opening up and doing it with the crank, pistons, rods etc, is not sound IMHO.
Also, how are you approaching the sump and oil-pump part of the equation?
Last thing; consider NOT using the 180 degree bend modified intake plenum, but rather a center-mounted side-intake plenum and t-body setup!
With hind-sight 20/20 and all, it probably would have been better to just buy Michael Harris' 12 valve 3.0 that he is about to pull out of his GTV6 to install the Glenwood 24 valve (it's already converted running Motronic - running great!)
Also, make sure that when you pass a flywheel bolt through the disc, check the other side - you want a minimum 10-12mm thread sticking out on the other side. (I already have the correct bolts) and oh yeah - use lock-tite - blue should be good.
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01-27-2007, 06:25 PM
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Still not reading my posts  
The 2.5 flywheel should be fine. The 2.5 flywheel has a 98 gram counter weight, just like the 164S crank pulley and 164S flywheel. Alternatively, I need a 3.0 milano flywheel (114 grams) AND a 3.0 milano crank pulley. Larry Jr has run the 2.5 flywheel with the 164S crank pulley for years, and on his race car - works fine!
I already have the correct flywheel bolts coming (as previously posted)
Like I also said previously (if you bothered to read ) I plan to re-weld the 164S plenum.
For the oil-pump and sump etc. go read the previous posts
Nah, this will be much less expensive than Michael Harris' engine, I'm sure! Unless he is giving it away for free BTW, I thought he was running MS, not Motronic. Actually, I suspect Michael's engine would move me into B since it has Sperry heads if I remember correctly.
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01-27-2007, 07:17 PM
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Getting ready What's up?
Before the donor 164S arrives we (Colin and I) decided to take care of a few smaller things. This past week I had taken the stock fuel tank out in preparation for installing a fuel cell and running all new fuel lines. I'm debating between an ATL and a Fuel Safe cell. I'll probably get a 15 Gallon since we have plans to run some enduro.
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01-27-2007, 07:20 PM
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I had also drilled out the spot-welds for the seat rails (and removed them from both the passenger and driver side) since I wanted the race seat lower, as well as save the weight.
We made custom reinforcements for the seat with better support and welded-in bolts to which the Cobra aluminum side mount bolts.
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01-27-2007, 07:38 PM
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Jes,
Seeing as you welded your new seat mounts to the floor, You might also think about putting a big bolt at both ends with some sort of backing plate. Your welds look good, but after all, it is welded to sheet metal.
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01-27-2007, 07:50 PM
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Yeah, that might not be a bad idea - the sheet metal is quite thin...
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01-27-2007, 08:17 PM
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Since Nizam just asked: The stock fuel tank weighs 25.5 lbs - that's not bad. A fairly expensive 15G ATL fuel cell is 27 lbs. Of course, a fuel cell is mainly for safety and not about saving weight.
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01-29-2007, 07:33 AM
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01-29-2007, 07:42 AM
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Sure glad you had a cance to remove those flywheel counter-weights and weigh them seperately...
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As I mentioned that is info Larry Jr. volunteered when I inquired about some parts I need for the transplant. He also brought up the flywheel bolt pitch issue of earlier vs. later model 164 engines, as well as pointed out the earlier vs. later model Milano 2.5 engines.
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01-29-2007, 11:28 PM
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This evening I prepared for pulling the 2.5 out of Roxanne. Made good progress, and engine is free except for rear engine mount and driveshaft. Another 30 min and it is ready to be lifted out. I also pulled the harness intact and labeled everything, should we find use for it again. I really like the single interface between the engine management system and the electrical system of the Milano, Pic 5 - some good engineering - hope the 164 is similar... we will know soon enough... Some pics.
1 - 3: Engine ready to be lifted out of its home.
4. Complete harness.
5. The single point of interface between the L-Jet and the electrical system of the Milano.
I left the intake plenum on the engine and will lift it out as it sits.
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So, I was going to continue with pulling the engine, but got interupted. The transporter callled that he was close and dropping the 1992 164S off this evening
He could not drive up the residential streets, so Colin and I drove the 3 miles to I5 and met him there. The 164S fired right up and drove off the transporter, and with the battery pack still hooked up I drove the 3 miles up to the house. Engine has good oil pressure and power - no problem. Oil on dipstick is clean, etc. 5-speed shifts well, has heated rear seats. Almost made me miss the various 164 models I have owned...
The 164S appears good - has fancy plug wires - a good sign of a loving owner in the past. A big thank you to Don (dbgrubbs) for checking out the car for me in Duluth before purchase unseen!!!! and, a thank you to Sam (SamW) for pointing me to Don, and Dave (DaveH) for also being ready to check it out. Thanks guys! The AlfaBB, Priceless, for everything else...
The 164S engine will be pulled and converted for transplant into Roxanne. A few pics of the 164S after its final journey...
Jes
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That's a donor car? Looks nice to me.
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That's a donor car? Looks nice to me.
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I was kinda hoping to see a totalled rear end after the first picture...
Oh well..now im subscribed to this thread. I'm really digging reading about the various things you've done here Jes!
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01-30-2007, 12:10 AM
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Yeah, well, there IS damage - but first a pic of the cockpit, and then Roxanne's new powerplant T-belt even looks good. Odometer shows 26k miles and the seller (2nd owner after insurance write-off) claims engine was rebuild 1000 miles before accident - still waiting for paper work (if I will ever see it - a call to Paul Spruell regarding rebuild may shed some light). Neither may be totally correct, but what can you do... I just couldn't help it... Perfect for what I was looking for - or so I hope  Amazingly, Judy is pretty calm and appears at peace with another Alfa in the driveway...
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