Thunderhill - Page 2

Grant · #16 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 03:39 PM

Todd,

I was under the impression that fiddling with compression would only effect intial turn in and wouldn't help much for a car that has terminal understeer. What are your thoughts on this? Keep the pics coming if you can! They're so pretty..

75evo · #17 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 05:39 PM

Todd,

The Toyo RA-1s will be better, hands down. The Falkens are close to a race tire but that's about it, close. The other issue is heat. The new Azenis (RT615) should handle heat better, but the older one (RT215) was useless once it is hot. This is where a real race tire should do much better.

**nizam** · #18 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 06:26 PM

Well, this is obviously only my opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own.

Milano brakes
Rear solid discs are fine with good pads and fresh fluid. Having vented rears would be good ... BUT ... you will also lose space between the caliper/rotor and the rear anti-swaybar endlink -- through which a very hot exhaust pipe has to be routed.

Disclaimer: when I started tracking many many years ago, I "ran out" of brakes too, and blamed the proximity of the exhaust to the passenger side brake caliper, as well as lack of airflow onto the rear discs. As the years wore on and the number of events increased, this became less of a problem. To this day I still have solid rear discs in the rear and have no ducting. While I wouldn't call the Milano brakes stellar, they are good for the 20-30 minute stints of time trialing or otherwise non-competitive open track events. I ALSO used to have to readjust the rear pads between the two days of track times. I don't anymore. The only change was me .

That said, I did upgrade my front brakes to larger rotors and 4-piston calipers. I also moved the brake bias to the rear, to offset the higher braking capabilities on my fronts. You don't really have to go there (it's $$$$) -- Porterfield R4S' and ATE Super Blues are more than adequate to give you the braking confidence you need. Best bang for the buck.

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Originally Posted by Todd

For tires probably Falken or Toyo from edge racing. If I was not sorting 2 cars, I'd probably spring for another set of rims.

Todd · #19 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 07:39 PM

Grant, I dont think the push is quite terminal, and I'd actualy like a little push vs oversteer unless it is induced through trailing throttle. I'd just like to even out the tire stresses a bit. As before I need to change the tires and the rear bar before I make too many decisions. Some of it may even be within my driving style, so those changes and some more track time for anaylizing. Yes the shock compression in the front in this case would induce more turn in, but the car is pretty much the same all of the way through, so I'll stick to small changes, and gain more experience.
Nizam, I'll try some fresh rotor's and some Porterfields. I'd have to say in retrospect, the lack of bite probably had me braking earlier and longer due to lack of trust in the amount of bite, which made the situation worse. Again some possible driving error, and lack of preparation of quality parts.
Since the car is not driven much I'll probably spring of some Toyo T1s or r's, and just run those on the street also. My Alfetta needs some things also and it's been on the back burner for too long. I plan on tracking that car also before the year is up. I just installed a Milano gear set box into that, but have not yet tried it out. Nizam whats your opinion on the Team Dynamics wheels from Performatek? Thanks to all for the kind words and tips.

**nizam** · #20 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd

Nizam whats your opinion on the Team Dynamics wheels from Performatek?

**AR4me** · #21 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 08:20 PM

I run Team Dynamics Pro Race I 17x7 on the street Milano and on various track Milanos - also had them on a 164Q. I had the wheel on a scale - only 17 lbs in that size. I purchased the discounted Hoosier in 205/40-17 at only $100/tire with free shipping. They were intended for the 3.7, but as that car went up in smoke, literally, I put them on the $750 platinum track car. Anyway, I put those tires on the scale as well - 17 lbs = tire wheel combo at 34 lbs per corner. From a wear perspective it looks like the Hoosiers will last at least two full weekends. Anyway, I have run the TD Pro Race I in 17x7 without any issues.
Jes

Todd · #22 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 08:51 PM

Jes, what hapened to the 3.7? I don't remember reading anything about smoke? How's the 3.2 in the other car?

**AR4me** · #23 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 09:00 PM

The 3.7 sustained a fire back in April - not sure when it will be resurrected, probably not until sometime 2007. Still haven't driven the 3.2 - soon, soon, soon... Though, that is a fresh engine and not intended for the track - will be my street car. The Platinum will be my track car until the 3.7 is ready - not as capable but a lot of fun.

BTW, I wasn't suggesting that you consider the Hoosier's - just elaborating on my experience with Team Dynamics wheels - very affordable and light.
Jes

75evo · #24 (**permalink**) 06-26-2006, 09:56 PM

I have a set of Team Dynamics DTM, but one is bent due to a pothole. They are good, but as Nizam said, they are not as strong as forged wheels.

hotcams · #25 (**permalink**) 06-27-2006, 09:17 PM

Todd,
Wow, 2 hours track time-that's sounds like plenty for me. The Super is ready to go. It's got T-1S tires but I should upgrade the pads now you got me thinking about brakes. I'm looking forward to get on the track and having the chance to drive the snot out of her. It's funny you mention a slow Lotus in front of you. That car should easily torch you-and usually people that buy those cars are looking for supercar performance. You think your ride is firm-get in one of those. My good friend has a '05 Elise and I can testify that car is very adept at going very fast thru corners! More pics, take care

Alfaone · #26 (**permalink**) 06-27-2006, 11:30 PM

Nice pictures. I am amazed to see all these Milano in USA in great shape. I never thought that in your countrie could be people loving this car. CONGRATULATIONS.

Todd · #27 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 07:20 AM

Mike, The schedule for clubs running track days that welcome most anybody, @ Thill. DATES Aug 31. Sept 1, 13. Oct 22. Nov 17, 25. Yeah I know the Lotus is not slow, but the driver was. I have him on my helmet cam taking some horrible lines. No real issue it is a learning event after all. I figured out how to avoid traffic. Go out last, sacrifice 1/2 lap, run with no traffic for 20 mins. Let me know what date looks good. I prefere something Oct or later. Alfaone thanks.

91spiderNV · #28 (**permalink**) 02-23-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AR4me

I run Team Dynamics Pro Race I 17x7 on the street Milano and on various track Milanos - also had them on a 164Q. I had the wheel on a scale - only 17 lbs in that size. I purchased the discounted Hoosier in 205/40-17 at only $100/tire with free shipping. They were intended for the 3.7, but as that car went up in smoke, literally, I put them on the $750 platinum track car. Anyway, I put those tires on the scale as well - 17 lbs = tire wheel combo at 34 lbs per corner. From a wear perspective it looks like the Hoosiers will last at least two full weekends. Anyway, I have run the TD Pro Race I in 17x7 without any issues.
Jes

**AR4me** · #29 (**permalink**) 02-23-2007, 01:26 PM

I bought them from Hoosier's web-site up until recently, but they are now out

Sorry... On their web-site click on discontinued tires, and look for R3S05.

Are you coming down for the Buttonwillow event? Let me know if you guys put something together at Reno. If it is during the AROSC off-season I might head up.

Jes