02-08-2006, 07:27 PM
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I should've kept my mouth shut - just finished fixing some exhaust leaks tonight and fired up only to find that the belt slipped. This is the third time it has done it at home, after doing some totally unrelated work and looking forward to a test drive. I have a hydraulic tensioner without leaks - am I doing something wrong here or is this normal?
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02-08-2006, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaparticle
Steve:
I respect your knowledge and experience but have you ever heard of a timing belt jump on an engine with a ZAT tensioner?
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02-08-2006, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PSk
I can't believe it's still at the same shop ...
Sorry but sometimes you just have to loose the money and save your property and take it elsewhere (or do it yourself), before the trash the property completely.
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02-09-2006, 01:13 AM
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Even if the Zat tensioner works, you have to deal with Tom Zat...
How do you buy and Alfa part, from a place called "Alfa Heaven" from a person with an extensive history racing and modifying Alfas, who hates Alfas almost as much as he hates Alfa people and who tells you that he is "...not interested in hopping-up Alfas..."
I would love to be a fly on the wall during a conversation between Tom and Larry Sr. - that ought to be interesting! Yeah, I'm still bitter. Just my 2 cents.
As for the tensioners failing; a fully mechanical, one-time adjustment tensioner with no springs and no gells really is best - the variances at cold-start are short-lived - just let it warm up first and then hammer on it with confidence day after day!
There are other sources!
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02-09-2006, 05:10 AM
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Jason my 2 cents worth if you aren't going to do your own wrenching on you Alfa I suggest you stay given up on older cars.
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Daily drivers: USA models 91 Bianco 164B 5-speed - ALFA 4ME, 91 Argento aka "Quik Silver" 164B w/AT 1QUIK AG, 91 Argento 164L w/AT aka "Quik Silver 2 - ALFA 4US and 93 Rosso 164L 5-speed - ALFISTO.
Rescue projects: Organ donor 91 Nero 164L w/AT and 91 "Old Blue" 164L w/AT
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02-09-2006, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by junglejustice
Even if the Zat tensioner works, you have to deal with Tom Zat...
How do you buy and Alfa part, from a place called "Alfa Heaven" from a person with an extensive history racing and modifying Alfas, who hates Alfas almost as much as he hates Alfa people and who tells you that he is "...not interested in hopping-up Alfas..."
I would love to be a fly on the wall during a conversation between Tom and Larry Sr. - that ought to be interesting! Yeah, I'm still bitter. Just my 2 cents.
As for the tensioners failing; a fully mechanical, one-time adjustment tensioner with no springs and no gells really is best - the variances at cold-start are short-lived - just let it warm up first and then hammer on it with confidence day after day!
As an engineer, I prefer mechanical devices to hydraulic ones.
There are other sources!
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02-09-2006, 07:03 AM
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butting in again my tensioner was from international auto parts Timing Belt Tensioners probly almost 7 years ago.. i had only had the car for about 3 years at that point so i didnt know any other sources for that part i have had no failure of the mechanical unit installed in my garage ..i made a tool for the two hole insert for the spring though i think i still have it,, send me a plane ticket and i will fly out install new unit and drink all your beer,, u will most likely still be ahead of the game $$ like ive said before alfas and old harleys gotta love it u really gotta love it thats all
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02-09-2006, 08:30 AM
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Jason my 2 cents worth if you aren't going to do your own wrenching on you Alfa I suggest you stay given up on older cars.
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02-12-2006, 09:27 AM
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Update: It'll have a freshly rebuilt OEM hydraulic tensioner sometime next week.
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02-12-2006, 04:57 PM
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Update: It'll have a freshly rebuilt OEM hydraulic tensioner sometime next week.
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02-12-2006, 05:50 PM
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Update: It'll have a freshly rebuilt OEM hydraulic tensioner sometime next week.
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After paying for 3 others, Will should do this one for free, including labor!!
Andre's at about 3700 South and 150 East here in SLC also does Alfas. He is currently doing a 1966 GTV with a hot 2 liter for a customer. There are 2 ratty 101 giulia spiders and a ratty 750/101 transition giulietta spider sitting in his "yard", but they need a lot of parts and total restorations.
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02-12-2006, 06:28 PM
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After paying for 3 others, Will should do this one for free, including labor!!
Andre's at about 3700 South and 150 East here in SLC also does Alfas. He is currently doing a 1966 GTV with a hot 2 liter for a customer. There are 2 ratty 101 giulia spiders and a ratty 750/101 transition giulietta spider sitting in his "yard", but they need a lot of parts and total restorations.
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I've seen the '66, it's my avatar. Very nice car. I'm not sure how much experience Andre has with Alfa's V6 though.
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02-16-2006, 04:06 PM
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Update: I'm picking it up tomorrow. It's not going to cost me anything.
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02-17-2006, 01:40 PM
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It's alive!
Hopefully it'll last longer then two weeks this time.
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Good luck! Did your mechanic say they did anything different installing it this time?
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