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Old 11-02-2006, 11:49 PM
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No - all Evo kit but the front fenders and rear fenders... We are doing the custom front fenders from Tony and a custom rear arch...

We did an ATL fuel cell on Jes' 3.7 (we bought two - so, one for me too...)
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:52 PM
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No - all Evo kit but the front fenders and rear fenders... We are doing the custom front fenders from Tony and a custom rear arch...
Is there the possibility of reproducing the front fenders and the rear arch? If its the one I recall you posting pics of it could sell alright. Will the rear arch extend out from the rear door?
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Old 11-03-2006, 06:43 AM
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Hey Boss,

Yep, I know him however, Julian did not "build" a twin turbo - he bought a complete TT GTV6 from Glenwood that Dawie built in SA... Andrew Brown now owns that car...

Dawie has built two NA 24 valve 3.7 motors for Julian - very similar to mine - that he now runs in the red 75...

Hey Paul - cool video of your car; as a side-note here - feel free to start a new thread on the topic of your own car and do post pics - we would all love to hear (and see) more of your car in a dedicated thread about you and your car...

julian told me it was one they built! this was back in 1998 that sound right? ive seen the dawies engines in julians race car and they are looking very nice thats why im thinking of doing it as my next project.

i didnt mean for this to be a thread hijack so accept my appologies, i will start one some time soon

i see your taking all the stuff off the floor in the car are you still gona leave it as a solid floor or replace it with perforated flooring? so you can save more weight?
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Old 11-03-2006, 10:28 AM
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....Will the rear arch extend out from the rear door?
That's the plan
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Old 11-03-2006, 10:31 AM
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...i see your taking all the stuff off the floor in the car are you still gona leave it as a solid floor or replace it with perforated flooring? so you can save more weight?
Nah - that's excessive... Stripping the insulation inside and bottom - good enough!
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That's the plan
That'll look awesome. It blends pretty perfectly with the lines already on the milano.
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Awesome!!!!
Hey JungleJustice, are you John from Glenwood? If you are it's Tom from Australia, I've been corresponding about a 3.0 motor for my GTV6.

It's good to see a project progress like this. Keep up the good work and I'm still looking at finances at the moment. Might have to sell the alfetta sedan :|
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Old 11-07-2006, 09:13 AM
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Hey Tom - yeah me!

Yep - cool - let me know - Say, nice flower in your avatar there - what is it? Some rare South American rain forest variety...!?

So, I made some good progress over the weekend on the car and through yesterday. (Had to stop a bit here this week - bought and sold a semi-wrecked 164 Q, a really nice clean '89 unmolested stock Verde and sold the one 164 LS - had to get that ready to drive to California - have to eat you know!? )

Any way - finally got done chipping all of that sound-dampening/damping crap out of the car. In addition to the floors, the Milano also has it all in the doors and on the rear wheel-arches inside the car and inside the trunk on the floor and on the sides as well - took about 20 hours total, but you have to spread it out over a week because your hands just won't take it.

Jes (AR4me) thinks it's funny because he is done doing all of this with Roxanne, but he still has to do the rest of it on Phoenix - the 3.7 up here (the trunk and doors any way.) You can't use a hammer/chisel combo there - the doors are too soft. Can't pack dry-ice there and the heat-gun just turned it all in to an uncontrollable mess! Glad that's over...

Also cut out the seat-rail frames! The new OMPs come with really nice adjustable pitch brackets and then integrated sliders. The entire setup will sit much lower now and with no sunroof (as with my Verde) and no liner, I should have plenty of headroom even with a helmet on!

Here is a shot of the clean shell, Accusump etc.

1) Wipers, wiper motor & mechanism and cabin-vent cowling have all been removed and the glass-guy is coming today to remove the front and rear windshields. (I will be re-installing the front one only, with Lexan/Plexiglas for the sides and the rear!)

2) All of the spare parts were cleared from the trunk and the stock gas tank removed, antenna out and the stock fuel lines removed! (Going with an ATL fuel cell and stainless steel-braided fuel lines and A/N type connectors from tank to fuel rail...!) Cutting out the spare wheel-well today as we will be welding in a flat cover-plate in the trunk there!

3) I cut out all of the useless flimsy material around the old radiator location too. We will be welding in new custom brackets and hangers for the AFCO oil/coolant heat-exchanger/radiator combination (from a GT350 race catalogue) along with an Accusump setup from Canton Racing!

4) I removed all of the stock old brake lines and engine-bay hardware - doing all new lines with small dual masters and remote-adjustable brake-bias control.

5) The dash is next (along with Jes' A/C...) We are probably going to go with an aluminium dash, but I will likely keep the heater. It doesn't weigh too much and has a functional purpose here. (We run a "windows-down" club and at 150 mph it is freekin' cold here in the Northwest during the early Feb/March and late October/November events.)

Also, think window defrost!
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'94 164 LS Auto - Baby Seat! - Bronze
'84 GTV6 (24 Valve & GoTech Soon!) - Silver
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Old 11-07-2006, 07:21 PM
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Hi Jungle Justice,

Thought I would say Hi and let you know I found your thread. Your car looks awesome. Just getting to know you better but I can tell your a racer. Cool. Maybe I can go on the track with you when my car is finished. You can give me some pointers. I know this is going to sound dumb but what is aquasump.

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Old 11-07-2006, 10:30 PM
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HEY Chuck!

Welcome to the alfabb...!!! Guys! Say Hi to Chuck Chan - owner of one very cool project - brave man!

(I just started laying out your parts-list today with the Group 2 boys in an attempt to assess what we have in-stock for your project and try to anticipate what needs to still be ordered in time for my trip down to see you here in a month or so...! Post a thread of your wonderful project (perhaps next door under the GTV6/Alfetta forum), as folks here are sure to be very interested n it!

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.....I know this is going to sound dumb but what is aquasump. ...

Thanks
...well, basically a bunch of money that you don't need to spend on a road car - for the most part ...

Interesting piece of technology actually; originally developed for construction and heavy-duty equipment. Construction machinery, road-building and earth-moving equipment tend to sit for long periods of time in-between contracts and projects, or otherwise operate under harsh conditions.

Upon start-up - there isn't any oil in the engine's head(s) and other crucial areas of the motor - this Accusump system allows the operator/driver (and in our case - the racer) to "prime" the engine's lubrication system using appropriate (and engine-specific) oil and pressure.

It works like this; the Accusump "canister" is pre-loaded with about 40 pounds of pressure via a spring behind a tight tolerance piston inside a very tightly machined chamber (basically the shiny blue thing in the picture above...) You hook it up in-line with the engine's oil-system - in-line - on the return line. Typically there is an extractor/sandwich plate where you would usually find the oil-filter with this extraction-line running off to a remote oil-filter mounted on the fender-well or somewhere else (typically in the engine bay.) From there the lines run back to the motor and the Accusump is fed off of a T in-line on that return-line...

In our case, that line with clean oil from the remote filter first runs off to an AFCO oil heat-exchanger/integrated radiator) to equalize the temperatures between the top of the motor (coolant) and the bottom of the motor (oil) as it is not untypical for track-engines to register normal operating temperatures (coolant), all the while with the engine oil down below "boiling" towards temperatures 50 degrees or more above that of the coolant!

While the common lubricants for internal combustion engines will not typically start breaking down until around 400 degrees or so, 250 or so on the bottom with 195/200/210 up top is not healthy or necessary... The oil-heat exchanger does the job there by flowing coolant over the oil-cores within the heat-exchanger to help cool the oil and thereby balancing the two - but I digress...

From the heat-exchanger the line with cooled oil runs back to the engine/sandwich-plate extractor. It is on that return-line that the Accusump T is installed in the cabin down at the passenger-side feet or somewhere within reach and view of the driver.

Any way, while running the engine, the Accusump will equalize at whatever oil-pressure the engine is running at - if your motor runs at 80 lbs, the Accusump will settle at 80. On the cool-down lap the driver shuts-off the valve on the Accusump (either via a remote, electronically-actuated valve), or via a manual shut-down on the tank itself (like ours.) The Accusump then stores pressure at the appropriate operating pressure for your particular engine in the tank.

The vehicle can now be stored for an extended period of time. Before start-up the driver opens the valve on the Accusump releasing it's pressure in to the engine's oil-system at the appropriate pressure pushing oil through all of the channels... (If you turn the ignition key on and then open the valve, you will actually see the car's oil-pressure gauge climb momentarily before slowly descending again...) - Car ready for start up.

Additional benefits are sort of a later-discovered by-product of you will; In-sump baffles aside and other dry-sump options notwithstanding, during long sweepers and hard cornering, gravity tends to take effect and the engine oil in the sump has a general tendency to want to migrate up in to the crank-case away from the oil-pickup causing starvation (also very bad for the crank - it tends to cavitate and bubble the oil!) The Accusump will actually push and help balance the oil-pressure during long corners.

Furthermore; upon oil-pump/lubrication-system failure, the Accusump will empty it's own pressure in to the system and buy you a few crucial moments to be able to shut-down the engine IF you are quick enough. It MAY save the motor! Cool, huh!?

Also, some pics of the OMP seats going back in... This model called the big or the biggy-small or whatever - love the wide area at the shoulders and wider hip-area at the base! (Compared to the more conventional race-seats.)
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'94 164 LS Auto - Baby Seat! - Bronze
'84 GTV6 (24 Valve & GoTech Soon!) - Silver
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Old 11-18-2006, 07:32 AM
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So, call me crazy but I was gripped with curiosity! I wanted to know - roughly - what an empty Milano shell weighs...

With the stock fuel-filter and fuel-pump still hanging on it (don't ask me why), the rear doors still with all 4 pieces of glass in it, the steering column, the shifter and the hand-brake still installed, the upper control-arms and the 4 power-door solenoids still there, we are looking at a whopping - are you ready - Drum-roll please! ~ 690 pounds!!! (a little over 313 kilos) for just the shell. The pedal box was out for this exercise BTW...

The large off-set front to rear/left to right may just be from how I had it positioned on the crates. The actual crates were excluded by zero-ing out the scale with them on there - before lowering the car, (but the car was not sitting completely center.) At least the overall weight is accurate.

Yes, yes - I know, I know - like a runway supermodel - always obsessing over my weight, but Jes started it!

So here - some pics on the scales, the suspension all torn-down and that nasty thing in the rear with (what looks like) rat poop all over it! It's all going away in favour of a nicely refinished DeDion with one of the RSR "SZ" style spherical bushings pressed in to the front and brackets welded to the rear to facilitate the outboard rear-brake conversion! Brand new wheel-bearings are done!

The transaxle will be alternated between a built 4.10:1 and a built 3.55:1 ratio with 50% lock-up, race clutch, lightened cross drilled and back-cut gears - all 5 as well as reverse - shot-peened everything, all new syncros, lightened and balanced clutch-assemblies etc etc!

Any way, while it does not look like much progress, there are so many little things that just takes hours and hours (such as little clips and plugs and screws and things everywhere that the OEM production process uses to hold down harnesses and bottles and coils and canisters and relays and what have you...)

I still have to rip out the rest of the brake hard-lines to the rear, the fuel pump and filter (like I said) and old gas-lines, handbrake assembly, shifter, steering column, door solenoids and rear door-glass and then drill spot-welds 'till the cows come home (front seat-rails - I cut them off for now - spare-wheel well edge, old battery tray and a few other sundry items. It never ends.

The power-steering rack is out (the new manual 2.1 turns lock-to-lock rack is sitting ready on the shelf), the gas tank is out and I discovered more of that insulating crap under there!!! Rear bumper is off now too, the spare-tire well is cut out and now I have to do battle with those &%@#%$* upper control-arm inner-bushings next!

Later today I may have time to wire-wheel every spot weld seem in the engine-bay (as well as underneath the car along the frame-rails) that I want seem-welded. (Even the old paint and any oils etc contaminates the welds...)

Welding should start next week including an aluminium frame for the fuel-cell, roll-cage, new radiator supports etc.

Should I weld the rear door shut and shave the rear door handles? Anyone have pictures of the process? Time? Cost? Effectiveness? Downside...?
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'94 164 LS Auto - Baby Seat! - Bronze
'84 GTV6 (24 Valve & GoTech Soon!) - Silver
'74 GTV Twin Spark w/ITBs & GoTech - Red

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Old 11-18-2006, 09:09 AM
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Welding should start next week including an aluminium frame for the fuel-cell, roll-cage, new radiator supports etc.
Would you mind taking pics of the whole seam welding process?
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