09-15-2008, 08:45 PM
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We still have to go back to the dyno for final AFRs... (That's tomorrow!) 
Jes is running at about 70% power and I was at about 85%... Jes was driving at about 6/10ths at that and I pushed a bit to about 7/10ths... We were both on street tires (me on the 235 ES100s from the 6-speed 164 and Jes on the 215 Hankooks he bought 3 years ago when this was going to be a street car!)
Both cars still need serious suspension sorting, but that did not stop others from at least trying to keep up... 
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09-16-2008, 02:05 AM
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Make sure you get some video footage tomorrow then! 
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09-16-2008, 03:29 AM
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That looks like a Norwegian background - never thought I'd see this kind of development up and running in the states. Congrats guys, we really should make a trip up there to enjoy your mini-nordschleiffe.
Jes, where does this leave Roxanne? I'm assuming you will be itching to use your 3.7 everywhere you go!
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09-16-2008, 11:22 PM
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Jes, where does this leave Roxanne? I'm assuming you will be itching to use your 3.7 everywhere you go!
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09-16-2008, 11:35 PM
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Are you going to move the DL-1 over to the 3.7?
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09-16-2008, 11:53 PM
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Are you going to move the DL-1 over to the 3.7?
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10-19-2008, 08:40 AM
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This thread is amazing, i read every page. Your Milano is quite a beastly machine, keep up the solid grade A work!!!
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10-27-2008, 04:10 AM
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Track day!!
Yo JJ, sorry I haven't kept an eye on the Dawielanos! Great stuff you guys are doing. I really liked this shot of the interior. Someday, I will get one of those engines. Put it in an Alfetta Sedan? Maybe. For now I have to finish paying for my Mondial, but someday...
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10-27-2008, 04:12 AM
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Oh yeah, more videos!! That one on YouTube with the Screamer screaming is the bomb! More of that please.
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(That's why she drove an Alfa and then bought a Ferrari )
Randy's Italian Lot:
1978 Sport Sedan "Cecilia" A rustfree Alfetta
1990 Mondial T Cabrio - OH MY GOD! Metallic Nirvana
1979 Sport Sedan Alfamatic For sale... "soon"
(1 or 2 more Sport Sedan parts cars.)
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79 Spt Sdn. "Griswold" and never-driven '74 Spider sold to Harry Riley
74 Spider "Isabel" traded for "Cecilia"
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10-28-2008, 11:24 AM
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Thanks for the support and nice comments guys!
Sorry I haven't had much time for updates as of late - been too busy with what little Alfa/BB/online-time I do have - fielding bull**** accusations from the crazy old coot on my cam-threads...
I'll get some video posted at some point here!
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11-30-2008, 04:51 PM
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OK, so - I'll just lift my recent comments (in Michael's thread on his 3.7) regarding MAP versus TPS and post them here so that you guys can have an idea of what I am working on...
The GoTech supports both Manifold Absolute Pressure AND Throttle Position Switch load inputs...! You can also run a 50/50 blend of BOTH MAP and TPS at the same time, which would be optimal! The GoTech has the MAP sensor already built into the box with a vacuum-tube coming out of the rear of it (the little blue silicon tube that's pretty-well visible at the center-rear of the purple Pro-X unit in the picture a few posts above.) There is also an air-temp sensor plumbed onto the harness to install in the intake-path!
Michael's 3.7 litre Spider (as with Jes' and my 3.7 litre Milanos) all came with custom banks of 6 individual throttle plates (down there in the "V" - very close to the intake ports on the heads and well-below the intake plenums!) Normally, there is NOT any vacuum above/ahead of a throttle-body - nor is there in these setups - the plenums are in essence just air-boxes in our case. All three cars therefore only run TPS sensors on the ends of the throttle-bank shafts and with only the TPS-mode activated in the GoTech software for now.
I also installed a new generic potentiometer-type TPS on here that I got from Group 2. We had 164 units on there before, but I always understood them to be switch-types. For some reason the guys back home who made the ITB-banks for us thought it appropriate to use them though - perhaps they ARE a potentiometer-type on the 164 after all? Still, measuring the resistance, mine was **** - it only gave a sweep from about 1.2 to about 2.2 ohms and it was real jumpy at that! The new one sweeps from .9 all of the way to almost 5.0 and it transitions real smooth...
I am hoping that this is also going to solve the mysterious jolt/jerk/blip that I always had in my dyno-runs low-down - right at the 3K rpm-point... After all - the TPS was either incorrect, correct - but faulty, or both..!
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11-30-2008, 05:04 PM
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In the case of a race car, running just TPS is fine (since you're at WOT most of the time any way...)
On a street-car though, Alpha-N (MAP) is crucial to get it nice and smooth! I'd like to get my race car as smooth as possible for throttle-pedal modulation through the turns and smooth roll-on of the power, gear-shift/throttle-transitions, trailer-loading, cruising through the pits and general idle any way, so I am in the process of adding vacuum-ports to my throttle-banks as we speak (and I will likely aid Michael and Jes to do the same in order to have the same added tune-ability on all three cars with the MAP/TPS-blend mode activated in the GoTech!)
In the pictures above and below here you can clearly see the addition of vacuum-ports (that we did not have before.) Besides machining the ports on the vacuum-side - below the butterflies - one must also drill and tap the holes on the "up-hill" side of the throttle-tilt, so that the vacuum is "included in the open throttle-position as much (and for as long) as possible when pulled open!
Big Jon at Hansen also created a little common vacuum-block from aluminium stock. (He simply drilled right through a rectangular solid block, capped-of the ends and drilled and tapped and installed three vacuum-ports on it! (One each for the two banks of ITBs - daisy-chained together with Ts and vacuum-tubes - and then one take-off for the MAP sensor inside of the GoTech!) The vacuum-block is small, but it should work just fine! In theory I could have simply sampled vacuum off of any single piston-pair such as 1&5, 2&6, or 3&4, but I wanted a more even and accurate sampling, so we are going to pull from all six and run them into the common vacuum-cylinder.
I am headed over to the dyno on Tuesday to go and re-tune it, so I will report back!
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11-30-2008, 06:15 PM
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12v 164 use min max switch wheras 24v uses a potentiometer.
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12v 164 use min max switch wheras 24v uses a potentiometer.
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I just checked my spare 164LS TPS switch. The resistance on my multimeter went from 1.0 - 2.5 very smoothly (with my multimeter on the 200K ohms setting).
Maybe I'll do the half MAP/TPS since it'd be a pretty easy one to set up, already have the TPS!
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