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I'm sorry but a Zagato bodied, limited edition, Alfa 3 litre, with a transaxle....and ferocious from every angle...How can that be a bad thing..??

Ugly...now that's the RZ....looks like a bath tub...but the SZ...sinister
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Thank you ToonRboy,
That is the thing.
What is available, to a Serious Motorhead, Sports Car Enthusiast,
For the money.
What has been your dreamcar, American Metal, or European road handling and Finesse.
We are all the same, but different.

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I'm sorry but a Zagato bodied, limited edition, Alfa 3 litre, with a transaxle....and ferocious from every angle...How can that be a bad thing..??r
Yes, what he said.

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The SZ is lacking in power compared to other vehicles that can be had for similar outlay. When you can purchase resto-mod Camaro'
s, Trans-Am's, Challengers, Barracuda's, Chevelles, Javelin's - you name it w/suspension kits that make them totally handle - or even late model Corvette's and Vipers for ~40k? You're up against it my friend.
Agree that the SZ lacks on power, and as pointed out earlier there are remedies for that.

That the american market will compare the car with the mentioned american iron, just shows the car is for people who know what the car is about! A guy who wants an SZ dont care if you can buy 3 of those cars for the price! So its down to if there are Alfa fans over there to want such a car enough to invest in it!

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Glenn, I think it's clear that there will likely be more people in the U.S. interested in acquiring an SZ than there will be available SZs. The question is what will be its market value. If I had the luxury of spending my money how I'd like at this moment, I would pay $70K for an SZ if the market and insurance values supported the investment, but not if they don't. In principle, I'd pay whatever I could afford as long as I'm not overpaying per the market. Pay off the minivan, sell the GTV6s; it can be done and I'd do it given the opportunity (three more years of payments for an Odyssey with VTOL and time travel options though). So, to your question, I don't think the risk consideration is whether or not there will be buyers but rather what value will the market attach to these cars, and that is a risk-laden prediction indeed, maybe too risky until there are some reliable data points.

I do like that someone is thinking seriously about getting some over here and I do think these cars, for obvious reasons, will be very attractive collectibles. The idea of having one in my garage and driving it to shows and cars n coffee is achingly enticing. I could live without a fun daily driver for that privilege. Maybe in three years.

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Art, I've lost on some, broken even on many, made a bit on a few.
And won, on every one I got to drive.

And I'm luckier than most, I'll drive and enjoy cars most enthusiasts
would never dare !!
That's the best reply I've read so far on the argument whether or not to bringing one over.

BTW -

The March issue of the british AutoItalia has a big Alfa Romeo feature. The last car covered is our beloved 'Il Mostro'. They list some superlatives without losing sight of some negatives.

Their assessment under the heading "Verdict" is:
"SZ values have remained constant for many years and most examples are still very low mileage. A buyer would not lose money on a purchase but with static values the SZ is unlikely to be an investment. The prospect, if running one as a daily driver, is interesting, but like any classic car used regularly it will require specialist maintenance and resourcefulness."

They caution parts are scarce or discontinued for:
Driveshafts, driveshaft center bearing, brake calipers, rotors, and side glass.

Look for corrosion at the bottom of C pillars, front jack points, and windscreen header

They give the following as a price guide:
1992 SZ, 2,600km $75,250, Spain.
1991 SZ, 7,000mi $39,400, UK.
1990 SZ 40,000mi $37,250, UK.


My opinion is their position on pricing and the examples given seem a little dated.
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Seriously! You have a Milano with new body work. Keith Martin has always said, just because they didn't sell in large numbers when new does not make them collectible. Does anyone here think for $80,000 dollars you would have a better car than a 2001 Turbo Carrera AWD at $35,000? or for $15,000 a BMW M3 convertible is not a better car than a SZ? I have a very close friend who bought an 88 Ferrari TR with less than 30,000 miles on it for $37,000, it's worth close to $70,000 and his 87 Mondial is worth maybe $45,000. there is no way an SZ is anywhere near a Ferrari in any way, shape or form.
Yeah, and my buddy has a grand total of about $10k into his MR2 that's faster and more fun than any of those cars (well, probably not faster than the Porsche) but there are certainly slower/less fun cars that he'd be interested in if he had the money just because they're cool.

I have no idea about exact price but I'm certain there are plenty of people out there that would be interested in this car for a lot of money. It's rare and cool.

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Finally!

She arrived on a truck today in Stockholm from Italy. Or is it a he?:-) Since I bought this car unseen I was very excited to see if it matched the description of the seller and my expectation. Since it is a one owner car with only 6000km on the Clock and according to the seller be "without any fault", my expectation was high. These Pictures from this afternoon is just after it has been unloaded and it is quite dirty. I'm very happy to say that the car was as described in most part. You could Always find something small to complain about but all in all I'm very happy. You can only smile when you see the panelgaps. And the paint quality is a joke on this 100% original car. It has not been repainted. But I knew this so it's ok. It gives the car a very special and bespoke feeling. It really looks like a concept car that is not supposed to be driven in real Life. To see it in person is quite a shock and everyone at the workshop were stunned! And this is a workshop where today I counted two ghibli spiders, one shamal, one mexico, and one 3500gt among others. Now it is in for a full service. The cambelt has never been changed. Also a conversion of the hydraulic belt tensioner to a mechanical one as they are prone to fail. Then I can't wait for spring to arrive. I love it so far!
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Excellent!! Thanks for sharing and Congratulations !
I look forward to your review of your first test drive.
I like your comment on the panel gaps. That was something
I noticed on the one I saw in Toronto.

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Bear in mind potential buyers might be collectors, rather than alfisti.

So skip all this banter, and go speak to a reputable auction house, ask their opinion, or even see if they have sold one

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There is one coming up for auction in the UK in a few weeks. It is a 800km car with one owner described as new. Estimate is 50-70 000 Pounds. Let's see what the market decides.

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You can only smile when you see the panelgaps. And the paint quality is a joke
Some are worse than others. Mine has pretty decent panel fitting – all the gaps are equally huge and more or less symmetrical. Paint on my car does blister like a Violent Femmes song though.

Imagine the horror of buying one new in '90 for crazy money only to find out it was built by blind people with no hands.
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After my negative comment at the beginning of this, I've been watching videos, looking at pictures from different angles, taking in everyone's comments....and I was finally getting on board with all the weird angles and the extra tall a$$....and now you drop this poor paint quality and panel fitment on me. I'm out.

Not that I could bankroll it anyway!

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There is one coming up for auction in the UK in a few weeks. It is a 800km car with one owner described as new. Estimate is 50-70 000 Pounds. Let's see what the market decides.
I want to see what the 100km/60K mile well-maintained well-driven cars that the collectors don't want go for. Those are my targets. Hopefully some make it over here.

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Those can be had over there for $35-$45K usd Jim. Usually needing cosmetic.

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