AR180015 - new owner

[braino]

Hey Folks,

After many years of anticipation, I've finally acquired a Junior Zagato. I was actually on the search for a while starting about seven years ago, but my progress was interrupted by a Giulietta Spider.

The Spider has since been restored, driven enthusiastically and sold, so when the opportunity arose to purchase a Jr. Z I stretched a bit and made it happen.

I just drove the car back from SoCal after spending a couple of hours with the previous owner, Pat Garret. He took good car of the car - it has an excellent 1750 and is mechanically in great shape. I think the ignition switch may need to be swapped out, but other than that it would probably get me just about anywhere.

I'm looking forward to connecting with other Jr. Z owners. I know a few who live in the Bay Area (my own provenance) but would like to hear from other folks about their experiences with these great cars. I'm curious to find out what sources for parts there are (none, from what I have gleened thus far).

I'm hoping to repaint the car within the next year, but in the meantime I'm going to try and drive it as much as possible.

My first question is - did these cars originally have a piece of trim along each of the side windows? My doors have what appears to be after-market window wipes. Should there be a metal piece of trim on either door?

I'll try and find photos while waiting for an answer...

cheers,
Brian

[Nicola]

This bb is a great resource for the questions you've asked, and for the ones that are still to come. "Zagato Olaf" has a great amount of knowledge about the history of these cars, and he, no doubt will be chiming in soon with some responses about your window trim. All my window trim is black, but may have been coated by the previous owner during restoration or repaint, so I'm not able to help.
(You're gonna LOVE driving this car!)

[Zagato_Olaf]

Hello Brian and Gordy,

Brian; congratulations once more! Did you take pictures while driving the car back home? I would be very interested to see them. Don't these cars have a great roadholding like Gordy mentioned!

Gordy is correct, all the window trim on the doors of the JZ is black. Rumours on cars with more luxurious trim and some chrome on the door trim are heard, but I can't confirm them. I have seen some chrome trim on the doors, but all those examples looked like nice homemade solutions.

I have included 2 Word-files with some drawings of and information on the door trim and the window wipes. Frank Hanel in Germany might be able to help you, we obtained a set from him two years ago.

Enjoy your new car, let us know how you are getting on with it and I hope to see some pictures!

Ciao, Olaf

[Virus Alfa]

Hi Brian,


I hope these pictures will help.

Best regards,
Jochen

[Zagato_Olaf]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Virus Alfa Hi Brian, I hope these pictures will help. Best regards, Jochen

[braino]

Indeed - I was asking about the pieces on the outside of the door. I have the inside ones.

Thanks for posting the photos - I don't suppose you have some of the outside of your door?

I am also missing door panels. I expect that I'll have to have these fabricated at some point (or make them myself). I can't imagine that anyone is producing repros.

Olaf - unfortunately, I didn't think to bring my camera for the trip back, but I'll take some photos when I get the car back to Berkeley.

cheers,
Brian

[Zagato_Olaf]

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Originally Posted by braino Indeed - I was asking about the pieces on the outside of the door. I have the inside ones. Thanks for posting the photos - I don't suppose you have some of the outside of your door? I am also missing door panels. I expect that I'll have to have these fabricated at some point (or make them myself). I can't imagine that anyone is producing repros. Olaf - unfortunately, I didn't think to bring my camera for the trip back, but I'll take some photos when I get the car back to Berkeley. cheers, Brian

[Zagato_Olaf]

Hi Brian,

And here are some pictures of the doorcard/doorpanel. The black one on the right is an early original example with the armrest of the reardoor of an early Giulia Sedan. The black one on the left is a late style model with the armrest of the 1750 Berlina.
The beige one is a reskinned version without the 'ribs' that should be seen between the silvercoloured trimpiece. The bottom black one is an original doorcard that has additional 'kickplates' to prevent damaged to the doorcard itself.

Ciao! Olaf

[Virus Alfa]

...and the outside trimpieces

Regards, Jochen

[braino]

Hey Folks,

Thanks for all the photos. I'll try and find those pieces when I get back home.

So - someone is still making door panels? That's good to hear.

Olaf - you mention a list of parts suppliers - where can I find this?

Interesting - that last photo has chrome trim around the drip lip - aftermarket?

cheers,
Brian

[mbaum]

Hi Brian,

Congrats on the Junior Z. These are absolutely wonderful cars that have it all: Outstanding desing and lots of fun to drive.

The "drip lip" was introduced for the 1600 models, the 1300 do not have the big chrome lip all around the windows on the outside.

I am not aware that anybody makes door panels and think you have to remanufacture but please correct me if I am wrong.

Mike

[Zagato_Olaf]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbaum Hi Brian, Congrats on the Junior Z. These are absolutely wonderful cars that have it all: Outstanding desing and lots of fun to drive. The "drip lip" was introduced for the 1600 models, the 1300 do not have the big chrome lip all around the windows on the outside. I am not aware that anybody makes door panels and think you have to remanufacture but please correct me if I am wrong. Mike

[Zagato_Olaf]

Here is a scan of the 1300 JZ brochure. You can see the drip lip on the far left in the dooropening.

Ciao! Olaf

[lgbalfa]

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Originally Posted by braino Hey Folks, After many years of anticipation, I've finally acquired a Junior Zagato. I was actually on the search for a while starting about seven years ago, but my progress was interrupted by a Giulietta Spider. The Spider has since been restored, driven enthusiastically and sold, so when the opportunity arose to purchase a Jr. Z I stretched a bit and made it happen. I just drove the car back from SoCal after spending a couple of hours with the previous owner, Pat Garret. He took good car of the car - it has an excellent 1750 and is mechanically in great shape. I think the ignition switch may need to be swapped out, but other than that it would probably get me just about anywhere. I'm looking forward to connecting with other Jr. Z owners. I know a few who live in the Bay Area (my own provenance) but would like to hear from other folks about their experiences with these great cars. I'm curious to find out what sources for parts there are (none, from what I have gleened thus far). I'm hoping to repaint the car within the next year, but in the meantime I'm going to try and drive it as much as possible. My first question is - did these cars originally have a piece of trim along each of the side windows? My doors have what appears to be after-market window wipes. Should there be a metal piece of trim on either door? I'll try and find photos while waiting for an answer... cheers, Brian

[braino]

Here are a few photos of the suspension and wheels of my Junior Z.

I'm wondering if the castor rods on these cars originally had heim