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Old 02-29-2008, 11:49 PM
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Need Help ID'ing Giulia SS parts

I have been looking at some of the parts I received. And I am going to need some help guys. What better place to turn to that the Alfabb! I have the SS parts book. Mine appears to be #2628 from the hood gutter body stamp. Missing the data plate. Supposedly a 65 Giulia SS.

First, where all is the VIN stamped on the body. I want to confirm the numbers. The gutter numbers are worn. And why doesn't Fusi match any SS body numbers? Explain please for the poor 105/115 owner.

Fusi list of serial numbers
Production quantity Fusi by year

If right, this one is one of the last 103 produced. Would love to know where it falls in the series.

Right now I am in the process of cataloging some of the parts just received. I am still in process of transfering the parts from the original owner and want to get the car as complete as possible. Current focus is the engine. And I want all the original SS components.

First, I have the original block. 00121 01369 is the number. This does fall into the Fusi listing for serials. I wonder if #69 went into the 31st car from the last? Anyway....got this one. However the block is stripped. Anyone know if the mains were special in anyway on the SS 1600 vs other Giulias? Parts manual suggests that #1 and 3 mains are different by different part numbers listed? Were they stamped?

What about the front timing cover and the timing gears? Anyway to identify or are the all the same?

Crank, flywheel, rods, pistons, and liners. Any advice on identifying them? I don't see any stamps on the crank. Likewise on the others.

Cams, I have those in hand as well. Had a crude 10121 stamped on them. I think they are ok.

I am in possession of a head, valve cover, oil pan, intake, carbs, and intake plenum box (upper and lower).

I don't think the head is the correct head. It is stamped: 10500 01500 00. Anyone know what this head is for. My parts book shows the head should be: 101210105301. Was there anything special about the SS head vs other Giulia 1600 heads?

Valve cover has a breather and two front screws. I know its wrong too. I noticed all the pictures I have and the parts manual shows a valve cover with no breather. How does the engine vent? It has a standard oil cap per parts manual and photos.

Oil pan is a single piece pan. It is wrong as well. Anyone know if the SS pan is stamped? And were all SS pans two piece with windage trays?

Carbs are DCOE2 and attached to an intake and lower half of plenum box. All still assembled. Not sure yet if these are correct. DCOE2 is correct model of carb for SS. But have not been in them yet. Any way to identify the lower half of the plenum air box? And how about the manifold? Anything special about it? These do visually appear correct.

The upper half of the plenum received has no stamp on the top. Pictures I have seen, they have a 10121 number stamped on them. Was this consistent? This one has a 105 number on it on the bottom! Outlet shape appears oval. Shouldn't it be round for the SS? I am 99% sure this is wrong as well.

Anyway, seems like I got some swapping to do. I have a bunch of wrong stuff for sure. Any assistance will be appreciated. Have mercy on the poor late model spider owner! I know I have a correct block. The previous owner will likely have all the correct items down in this shop somewhere. I just need to make sure I get all of them if there are any hopes of putting this car back together.

One last question. Who runs and where is the SS registry online?

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John M
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1984 AR Spider Veloce............the second & gone to the parts bin
1992 AR Spider Veloce............the third and still here
1991 AR 164L........................traded on the SS
1965 AR Sprint Speciale..........in boxes.

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Old 03-01-2008, 12:26 AM
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I have been looking at some of the parts I received. And I am going to need some help guys. What better place to turn to that the Alfabb! I have the SS parts book. Mine appears to be #2628 from the hood gutter body stamp. Missing the data plate. Supposedly a 65 Giulia SS.

First, where all is the VIN stamped on the body. I want to confirm the numbers. The gutter numbers are worn. And why doesn't Fusi match any SS body numbers? Explain please for the poor 105/115 owner.
The chassis number is on the right side of the engine compartment near the corner of the engine bay. The gutter number is the manufacturers number of the chassis. Alfa used a different numbering system, hence the two numbers. your chassis number should be AR10120.xxxxx

Fusi list of serial numbers
Production quantity Fusi by year

If right, this one is one of the last 103 produced. Would love to know where it falls in the series.
My website is down right now or I would check for you. You sound correct. Fusi is reasonably accurate but there are still glaring holes in the numbers as per other discussions on the BB about his books and others that have tried to get the numbers sorted out.

Right now I am in the process of cataloging some of the parts just received. I am still in process of transfering the parts from the original owner and want to get the car as complete as possible. Current focus is the engine. And I want all the original SS components.

First, I have the original block. 00121 01369 is the number. This does fall into the Fusi listing for serials. I wonder if #69 went into the 31st car from the last? Anyway....got this one. However the block is stripped. Anyone know if the mains were special in anyway on the SS 1600 vs other Giulias? Parts manual suggests that #1 and 3 mains are different by different part numbers listed? Were they stamped?
All of the main caps like any Alfa block is stamped with the numbers for orientation. The engines were prebuilt, stockpiled and pulled from storage with out any intention of putting them in sequence with the chassis numbers.

What about the front timing cover and the timing gears? Anyway to identify or are the all the same?
All the same for 1600's.

Crank, flywheel, rods, pistons, and liners. Any advice on identifying them? I don't see any stamps on the crank. Likewise on the others.
no way to identify the parts by stamped numbers. Have to measure all of this with calipers

Cams, I have those in hand as well. Had a crude 10121 stamped on them. I think they are ok.
This is good for you! Not easy to come by 10121 cams readily. Make sure they are in good condition on the lobes. You can install Duetto or 10548 cams that will work just fine, but they won't work like the Veloce cams and open up at 4000 rpm to 6500 rpm.

I am in possession of a head, valve cover, oil pan, intake, carbs, and intake plenum box (upper and lower).
You are blessed.

I don't think the head is the correct head. It is stamped: 10500 01500 00. Anyone know what this head is for. My parts book shows the head should be: 101210105301. Was there anything special about the SS head vs other Giulia 1600 heads?
Most likely the original 1600 heads cracked into the water jacket or blew out to many headgaskets so it was milled to being unusable. A 105 head will work. See if you can find a Duetto head with out the lugs on the front.

Valve cover has a breather and two front screws. I know its wrong too. I noticed all the pictures I have and the parts manual shows a valve cover with no breather. How does the engine vent? It has a standard oil cap per parts manual and photos.
This is correct, there isn't a breather on a SS/Veloce Spider/Sprint. This was a part for a 105 car from 1966 on. A veloce cam cover and intake cover with out the breather is hard to find but come up occasionally for sale. You can run the car just fine with the parts you have.

Oil pan is a single piece pan. It is wrong as well. Anyone know if the SS pan is stamped? And were all SS pans two piece with windage trays?
All SS/Veloce Spider/Sprint Veloce's used the 2 piece pan with the windage tray. They have been for sale on Ebay but very pricey. What is harder to find is the oil pump and goose neck pick up. What do you have for an oil pump?

Carbs are DCOE2 and attached to an intake and lower half of plenum box. All still assembled. Not sure yet if these are correct. DCOE2 is correct model of carb for SS. But have not been in them yet. Any way to identify the lower half of the plenum air box? And how about the manifold? Anything special about it? These do visually appear correct.
40DCOE?? Are they DCOE2's? If they are, you have a correct set. If they are 27's most likely from a Duetto/Super/Sprint GTV. Any numbers higher than 27's are from later cars.

The upper half of the plenum received has no stamp on the top. Pictures I have seen, they have a 10121 number stamped on them. Was this consistent? This one has a 105 number on it on the bottom! Outlet shape appears oval. Shouldn't it be round for the SS? I am 99% sure this is wrong as well.
Correct again, a round upper intake for the air box is correct.

Anyway, seems like I got some swapping to do. I have a bunch of wrong stuff for sure. Any assistance will be appreciated. Have mercy on the poor late model spider owner! I know I have a correct block. The previous owner will likely have all the correct items down in this shop somewhere. I just need to make sure I get all of them if there are any hopes of putting this car back together.

One last question. Who runs and where is the SS registry online?
You are talking to the guy that runs the SS register The website is there, but the hard drive that I have all the files on crashed. I am having a data recovery done...dang its expensive! I am hoping to have the website back up in a week. I have a back up disk, but Adobe GoLive isn't cooperating with me to get the files up on the server. I might just have to pop for a newer copy of my previous FTP program. Click on the link on my signature and it will take you there.

Best Regards,
John M
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Excellent post Christopher:

Thanks for the info here and on the PM. I am going to track down that chassis number right now. Not sure on the oil pump yet. I believe its one of the parts yet to be received. So I'll pay particular attention since it sounds speciale!

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1992 AR Spider Veloce............the third and still here
1991 AR 164L........................traded on the SS
1965 AR Sprint Speciale..........in boxes.
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AR 381369

So 10121.381369

31st SS to the last (381399).

I just realized it. My block number and chassis number match exactly for the last four (1369). That cannot be coincidence. Matching numbers? Christopher, do you know for sure that they were never intended to match? The reason I ask is with this block number matching the chassis number, probably about the probability of winning the lottery.

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1984 AR Spider Veloce............the second & gone to the parts bin
1992 AR Spider Veloce............the third and still here
1991 AR 164L........................traded on the SS
1965 AR Sprint Speciale..........in boxes.

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John, the probability of having matching numbers is certainly not something you would expect. Thank you for your information and PM. I have responded back in a like manner to some of your questions. Next you can query AR archives for more information and get the build date and to who the car was consigned to for sale. Used to be years ago the archives could have told you who the first owner was.
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John,
Most all pieces of chrome, grill, door top mldg, bumpers and such will have the chassis number scratched on them. The grills are all made to fit the car and are not really interchangebal as are most of the other bits. The inner door mldg will only go back on in a particular order, so pay attention, take photos, when removing them.
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