90 or 91 Alfa SZ? - Page 2

oz3litre · #16 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AlfaSZ

It depends very much on condition, but generally more will be asked for an RZ than an SZ of similar mileages. I really don’t know why, the SZ is special, the RZ is not.

Sorry I cannot give it to you Oldschooleuros but if you are ever in the UK you will be more than welcome to take it for a blast. Here is a picture taken from my private track (Goodwood), 5 miles from my home. OK, not really mine, but they always ask me to leave very politely.....

Steve

AlfaSZ · #17 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 05:34 PM

Not an awful lot really. The cams, manifolds and engine management. Many owners have increased BHP with the removal of the cats and a different chip, but still not enough, the chassis could handle 300 easily.......

Take a look at Ed's website (Alfa Romeo SZ ( ES-30 ) it will tell you all you want to know about the SZ.

Steve

oldschooleuros · #18 (**permalink**) 02-19-2008, 05:42 PM

Awesome car man, if I ever moved to the UK for some reason, I would buy one that day I touched down!

Need to shoot some vids of that beast.

Gabor K. · #19 (**permalink**) 02-22-2008, 01:32 PM

Its not impossible to get one. You can pick one of ten here and send it by air freight. Surely it would be a rarity in Ohio!

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alfazagato · #20 (**permalink**) 03-02-2008, 06:19 AM

I had an SZ (SZ1554) which was fabulous in the dry. In the wet it was murder. Not because it had no handling or adhesion..quite the contrary, it was simply that you couldn't see out of the windscreen. Open both windows to try to get an area of the screen clear and you would be soaked. The top of the window being further inboard, allowed water to run directly onto your shoulder. No demisters? There were but the dash covering was too big and covered the vents so no air. Water gets in round the screen too. Big puddle in the foot well. And the boot...don't ask....you had to mop it out every time you washed the car and when driving in rain it filled up a treat. And rust...don't get me started.
In the dry... simply astonishing. RZ in my estimation not half the car which may help to answer the question on prices.
After saying all that, the GTA, which I bought after selling the SZ, fills up with rain just as easily.

**mbaum** · #21 (**permalink**) 03-02-2008, 08:14 PM

One of the items quite on top of my to do list: Buy one in Europe once the Dollar gets stronger (!), ship it to California, find a loop hole to register and drive (!!) and enjoy.

I think the coupes look so much better than the convertibles and they seem to handle so much better. Two big pluses that might explain values (Similar to the V8 Aston Zagatos from the 80's).

Mike

**AlfaTango1** · #22 (**permalink**) 03-02-2008, 09:30 PM

Personally I like the Spider's look better but from what everyone says they are ****e in comparison. I'd expect some loss of rigidity but it looks like there is much more lacking in the rag top... I trust our Euro counter parts and their wisdom... I just wished it weren't so

tiger0529 · #23 (**permalink**) 03-03-2008, 09:00 AM

I know it's not apple-to-apple comaprison, but when I test drove an RZ, it felt like it was worse (I mean less rigid) than the 105/115 Spiders... As mentioned by alfazagato, the SZ is not a pleasant car to drive in rainy or snowy weather but with the RZ, you have serious water (rain) leak problem, and you cannot see anything through the rear plastic window once the top is up (not that you have to worry about what's behind you

). When it comes to rigidity, the SZ is not up to today's standard but it's at least better than that of the 75/Milano (I know this because my mother owns an SZ and a Milano Verde with SZ conponents (engine, gearbox, suspension etc...) transplanted.

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Originally Posted by AlfaTango1

I'd expect some loss of rigidity but it looks like there is much more lacking in the rag top...

oz3litre · #24 (**permalink**) 03-03-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger0529

I know it's not apple-to-apple comaprison, but when I test drove an RZ, it felt like it was worse (I mean less rigid) than the 105/115 Spiders... As mentioned by alfazagato, the SZ is not a pleasant car to drive in rainy or snowy weather but with the RZ, you have serious water (rain) leak problem, and you cannot see anything through the rear plastic window once the top is up (not that you have to worry about what's behind you

). When it comes to rigidity, the SZ is not up to today's standard but it's at least better than that of the 75/Milano (I know this because my mother owns an SZ and a Milano Verde with SZ conponents (engine, gearbox, suspension etc...) transplanted.

pgicante · #25 (**permalink**) 03-03-2008, 01:54 PM

All,

I've owned a fairly stock 3L Milano (75) and now a SZ. Its amazing what all the small changes (shortened chassis, cambered deDion, wider track, coilovers in front) add up to in terms of handling, speed etc.

The SZ is incredible fun in the dry - I haven't ventured out nearly as much in the rain, and right now its -4 in Canada with a whole ton of snow

Regards,

tiger0529 · #26 (**permalink**) 03-03-2008, 01:58 PM

Wow, I didn't expect anyone to get this offensive. Before it gets any worse, let me offer an apology... I am sorry if I made it sound like the 75/Milano is not rigid enough. If you read my post CAREFULLY, you'll notice that I never criticized the 75/Milano for lack of rigidity. All I said was that with the transplanted suspension components from an SZ, the aforementioned Verde's structure was found to be not as rigid as that of the SZ. With the SZ suspension, it no longer had that supple but well dumpened ride of the TA Alfas. Lots of fun, but not for "normal" people who's used to near-stock feel of the TA Alfas. It was a totally different car.

P.S. I said that the SZ's rigidity is not up to today's standard by comparing it to that of sports cars in sub-supercar category. I know that these cars cost hundreds of thousands of dollars but it sure felt like it was a million dollar car when we got our SZ in my mother's garage fifteen years ago

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oz3litre · #27 (**permalink**) 03-03-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger0529

Wow, I didn't expect anyone to get this offensive. Before it gets any worse, let me offer an apology... I am sorry if I made it sound like the 75/Milano is not rigid enough.

rz133 · #28 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008, 05:47 AM

i have both rz and sz.
hi steve....
the sz is far more superior than the rz which leaks like crazy in heavy rain.
the rz is worth a bit more than the sz.
the sz is a real car and doesn't feel like a kit car (rz).
about rigidity:the sz is so rigid that the g-forces around curves were 1,4g
so who's talking about not up to standard???

Zagato_Olaf · #29 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by oldschooleuros

Kind of odd anyhow, but I was playing project gotham 4 for xbox 360. In the F class, there is a SZ Alfa Romeo, it is a 90 or 91. It says it was limited to around 1500, and was designed by Zagato. I love this car. I could never afford one lol, but does anyone have any info on this car? I have looked, and found nothing.

Gabor K. · #30 (**permalink**) 04-03-2008, 02:30 PM

I think this thread is seriously misplaced! This thread should have been under the Milano/75 section as the ES-30/SZ/RZ is a model 75 based car, and not the Giulietta SZ of the 60´ies. Hopefully for correctness it will be moved! And the Milano/75 section corrected to include the ES-30/SZ/RZ!