History of the development and production of the GT 1300 Junior Zagato

[Zaagmans]

Great Robert!

Looks like a (partial) confirmation of the "modification" theory to me!

Now we also have to find out what the h#ck that gold paint is doing on your car!



In the mean time, those of you who have the above book "Le Zagato - Fulvia Sport - Junior Z" by Michele Marchiano might be familiar with this photo on page 57:


The car has always puzzeled me because I couldn't find any trace of it...

Now, am I mistaken or is this the same car?


To me, it is the same... the fender flares, non-original Alfa Grill, black door mirrors etc...

There is a significant difference visible in the rear track width but the photos are not necessarily from the same year.

Personally, I can't imagine that two people would modify a JZ in such an almost similar fashion...

Any other opinions?

[Zaagmans]

Double post.

[Zaagmans]

Just found this picture of the first JZ (a prototype, possibly the same car as the one wearing the "EE" plates in other pictures) that was shown to the public at the 1969 Torino Motor Show, being crushed under the weight of the finalists of the "Miss Automobile Internazionale" contest.


Source: Il Quadrifoglio

[Zagato_Olaf]

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Originally Posted by 2JRZ Here is a picture of the other door. It is not as mangled but still looks like the opening was hand cut. The paint on the other side of this door is not burned away. To be clear my car was originally GOLD! Gold colour is everywhere. Inside panels, engine bay,floors,etc. Alfa Archives indicate 1800034 was silver/gray which it is now. Both doors have 34 stamped on them. Jack, nice to see you are back! Robert

[Zaagmans]

Olaf,

the NOS Zagato parts that rareparts.nl have are mainly rejects from the (in this case early) production.

Would be an interesting door to own... I believe they exhibited it already at AMI in Houten last month.

There is a "connection" between rareparts.nl, (current) Zagato and Paul Koot, which explains how these parts ended up with them.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with the parts being rejects, most guys who are restoring their cars would gladly use these parts.

[Zagato_Olaf]

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Originally Posted by Zaagmans Olaf, the NOS Zagato parts that rareparts.nl have are mainly rejects from the (in this case early) production. Would be an interesting door to own... I believe they exhibited it already at AMI in Houten last month. There is a "connection" between rareparts.nl, (current) Zagato and Paul Koot, which explains how these parts ended up with them. BTW, there's nothing wrong with the parts being rejects, most guys who are restoring their cars would gladly use these parts.

[braino]

Here's a pic of the passenger-side door pull cutout on my car (#15). It looks like it was done by hand (a fairly impatient hand, even) which seems to support the theory about early style door skins being modified to accommodate the later style door pull mechanism.

cheers,
Brian

[2JRZ]

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's a pic of the passenger-side door pull cutout on my car (#15). It looks like it was done by hand (a fairly impatient hand, even) which seems to support the theory about early style door skins being modified to accommodate the later style door pull mechanism. cheers, Brian

[markjz]

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Originally Posted by Zaagmans Now, am I mistaken or is this the same car? To me, it is the same... the fender flares, non-original Alfa Grill, black door mirrors etc... There is a significant difference visible in the rear track width but the photos are not necessarily from the same year.

[Zaagmans]

Yes, they are going on the market with it.

It is also being offered as private treaty sale and it is indeed the same car.

A long standing mystery (to me at least) has been solved!

I am waiting for the owners to supply the palmares so that we can fill in its (racing) history.

This must be THE most succesful racing JZ in its days so definitely a car worth owning eventhough its practical use is very limited.

It is 1600 # 025:
Alfa Romeo Zagato Register & Information Site

@ Robert & Brian
Thank you gentlemen for providing the photos!

Also to me this confirms the "modification" theory. Next step would be to try & find out how many cars were modified in this way... will be a lot harder I fear....

[Gerrit Mobach]

He guys, good to see you’r getting the story together.

Today I was at a Ferrari workshop were the new owner collected his 1950 Ferrari GP Monoposto. I had the opportunity to see a 330 bodied by Zagato which had the exact same door handles as the production version of the JZ’s. This is the first non JZ were I have seen the same door handles mounted on.

So far my contribution to this topic.

Cheers, Gerrit

[Zaagmans]

Ola Gerrit,

Must ben S/N 10659 then...

Source: Michael Sheehan's ferraris-online.com

Based on a 1967 330 GTC Coupe. Was rebodied by Zagato in 1974 for Luigi Chinetti.

I presume the doorhandles were conveniently available at that time.

To me it is also the only other model with these doorhandles.

[Zagato_Olaf]

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Originally Posted by Gerrit Mobach He guys, good to see you’r getting the story together. Today I was at a Ferrari workshop were the new owner collected his 1950 Ferrari GP Monoposto. I had the opportunity to see a 330 bodied by Zagato which had the exact same door handles as the production version of the JZ’s. This is the first non JZ were I have seen the same door handles mounted on. So far my contribution to this topic. Cheers, Gerrit

[AllthingsZagato]

The spider version of the Ferrari did indeed use the handles, only the 1600 version of the Fulvia used the Jr Z handles. The 1300 version used the standard coupe handles. Does anyone know for which car the original handles were designed?

[Zaagmans]

Both the 1970 Cadillac NART Zagato and 1972 Fiat 132 Aster Zagato used the same door handles as well... maybe there are even more models which did...