11-22-2007, 09:36 AM
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... Besides I wanted to use the money on the bridge he was selling over the Mississippi.
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 You just have to meet the right people to get a chance at ownership... 
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11-22-2007, 09:45 AM
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Are there actually 2 cars with the S/N 003 that exist today; the real one and a fake? That seems to be the case....
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11-22-2007, 02:09 PM
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Gentlemen,
I started this post because i had a geniune interest if anyone here could enlighten me regarding the history of this car.
Unfortunately, and i really mean unfortunately, noone could help. Additionally i also received a lot of well meant advice for which i am very very grateful and I have established a number of nice contacts for which i am equally grateful. On the basis of all of this I subsequently decided to leave the car alone. Almost regardless of its price.
I do not believe it is fair to the seller and/or owner of this car, or even the car itself, to continue this and i believe we should stop it here. The car may very well be 004, and it may very well not be 004.
Regardless of this it is a beautiful car and definately NOT "the average TZ2 replica" of which i have seen and throughly inspected 3. If the price was right i would buy the car, but i will not purchase a car at this price level without proper documentation -which many of you have also warned against. Again, thank you for this.
Instead of destroying this beautiful car, and trust me, it IS a beautiful car - 004 or not - let everyone decide for himself. Personally, i think the answer is quite clear.
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11-22-2007, 02:35 PM
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but this one goes to 11..
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Don't get us wrong. We have no problem with a replica if it is indeed advertised as so. We only want the potential buyer to know the history of any significant car Alfa or not. Heck if someone wants to buy this car without documentation, fine. I just hope it's at a really, really good price.
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11-22-2007, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AutodeltaGTA
I do not think it would be proper of me to comment in the open on a price discussion since the seller is not openly showing his price idea but i do not think the car will end up costing a million......actually quite far away.
What i can say is that the car does not claim to be an original TZ2 nor is it a TZ1 any longer. It is subsequently realisticly priced as a TZ1, provided it actually was originally a TZ1 of course.
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11-22-2007, 05:06 PM
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Gentlemen,
I started this post because i had a geniune interest if anyone here could enlighten me regarding the history of this car.
Unfortunately, and i really mean unfortunately, noone could help.
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11-22-2007, 10:24 PM
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In a democracy, everyone has the right to express s, why do you not let olczyk the opportunity to respond? Otherwise you act as loose and dictators.
Will you ban me because I reject the fact that nothing know, you always have a word evil on cars that you have ever seen?
You have acknowledged that some members have a personal agenda against olczyk, which shows that your opinions are based on the mechantete and not on the honesty. My 2 cents
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11-23-2007, 12:38 AM
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Gentlemen,
I started this post because i had a geniune interest if anyone here could enlighten me regarding the history of this car.
Unfortunately, and i really mean unfortunately, noone could help.
Well done
The answer to autodelta is a total disavowal for this forum because the answers were dishonest, autodelta seeking additional information and he realizes that there is not one person here who could have honestly help.
It is time that members of alfabb stop to take on for god and give an opinion on everything. No one has seen the car or the documentation and yet everyone knows everything. is appalling. My 2 cents
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11-23-2007, 12:41 AM
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this morning, my friend spoke with the owner of tz2 and the owner told him that he had in the past a real buyer for it (may be autodeltagta) but then following the market increase), the owner double his asking price !
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11-23-2007, 07:23 AM
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Gentlemen,
I started this post because i had a geniune interest if anyone here could enlighten me regarding the history of this car.
Unfortunately, and i really mean unfortunately, noone could help.
Well done
The answer to autodelta is a total disavowal for this forum because the answers were dishonest, autodelta seeking additional information and he realizes that there is not one person here who could have honestly help.
It is time that members of alfabb stop to take on for god and give an opinion on everything. No one has seen the car or the documentation and yet everyone knows everything. is appalling. My 2 cents
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I don't care if you are really Olczyk or not. You have nothing to contibute. All you do is ask questions and complain about everyone else here because they do not have the answers THAT YOU WANT. NO ONE does; not even the Alfa archives! Please just go away!
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11-23-2007, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Zagato_Olaf
Hello Hans,
Could you sum up what you know about (the history of) this car having seen it and give us a clue whether you think this can be backed up with proper documentation?
Ciao, Olaf
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In my opinion, it is the seller of a car that supplies the information and documentation (including pictures) that states what the car claims to be.
It does matter that the car looks genuine, but the documentation will supply the proof of that. If needed, a seller or buyer can do research to find information and documentation on this car. A seller or buyer could also ask this forum to help. In this case the forum was asked for information on this car.
The forum can't supply the information because the history of this car is unclear. And mind you, the people in this forum have serious knowledge of these cars and can access a lot of data. The forum didn't find period pictures of the crash of the car, the rebuild and the period after. Also, no members have stated that they have knowledge of a crash of a car of this type and a rebuild to TZ2. So members of this forum advise caution.
My conclusion; with all the knowledge in the forum, the history of this car can't be confirmed. So, we will all have to wait untill someone comes with the information and documentation that shows what happened to this car.
Or untill the moment we have to conclude that the history of this car is unclear and will keep being unclear.
Untill then, I will not dismiss this car but I will keep extreme caution concerning (the history) of this car. And that is what is the case here.
Hansgta, I have asked you twice if you could sum up what you know about (the history of) this car having seen it and give us a clue whether you think this can be backed up with proper documentation?
I didn't receive an answer to that question that I can work with and build on.
If you want the members of the forum to clear things up, work with it. So; could you sum up what you know about (the history of) this car having seen it and give us a clue whether you think this can be backed up with proper documentation?
Please supply that information and documentation to the forum so members can work with it.
Ciao, Olaf
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11-23-2007, 07:32 AM
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Hansgta, I have asked you twice if you could sum up what you know about (the history of) this car having seen it and give us a clue whether you think this can be backed up with proper documentation?
Sorry, i didn t see the documentation, i don t have the money to buy it, then i don t have a opinion. i m honest and i m not afraid to say "i don t known"
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11-23-2007, 07:52 AM
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Tubut, you're right. Sometimes we just need to have more patience. Let's see what pops up.
Additionally there seems to be some uncertainty about what i meant when i wrote:
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Gentlemen,
I started this post because i had a geniune interest if anyone here could enlighten me regarding the history of this car.
Unfortunately, and i really mean unfortunately, noone could help.
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What i meant by "noone could help" was simply "no document(s) or photos or stories or anything else that could enligthen me regarding the history of this car seems to exist.
Hope this clarifies.
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11-23-2007, 07:53 AM
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Thanks for your information
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Originally Posted by hansgta
Hansgta, I have asked you twice if you could sum up what you know about (the history of) this car having seen it and give us a clue whether you think this can be backed up with proper documentation?
Sorry, i didn t see the documentation, i don t have the money to buy it, then i don t have a opinion. i m honest and i m not afraid to say "i don t known"
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Hi hansgta,
Thanks for your information! So, that leaves us with a car with an unclear history. Therefore caution is adviced when buying this vehicle. The price of the car should reflect the fact that it's history is unclear. And as AutodeltaGTA states:
'I started this post because i had a geniune interest if anyone here could enlighten me regarding the history of this car. Unfortunately, and i really mean unfortunately, noone could help. What i meant by "noone could help" was simply "no document(s) or photos or stories or anything else that could enligthen me regarding the history of this car seems to exist.'
It's a pity the forum can't help AutodeltaGTA and it's a pity for the car too! This will remain the case untill the seller or someone else comes up with new information!
Ciao, Olaf
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11-23-2007, 09:04 AM
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Thanks for your information! So, that leaves us with a car with an unclear history.
Incroyable ! who say that the history is unclear? because i didn t see the documentation don t means that the history is unclear, i didn t see you and never saw your passport which means in your logic that you are unclear !
strange logic...i give up
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