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SVA #02308 was the first 1958 type SVZ. Sergio “Pegaso” Bettoja raced it every weekend in early 1958 but possibly destroyed it in the Targa Florio. Next event he raced a SVZ was the 1959 Targa Florio, but there is no photo of the car since it did not finish the race. In 1960 he did some races but it is difficult to identify a car since the sources does not specify any type. Some times it is written SVZ, other time SS (must be his #0029) or even SZ (#0002?).
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#04069 was the third SVA rebodied by Zagato in early 1957. Egidio Gorza raced it in 1957. 1958/1959 it was sold to Mario Bongiasca, Milano (I), who had the front modified. Bongiasca entered some events in 1959/1960 but there is no photograph for confirmation. In 1962 Herbert Wrobel from Munich (D) raced and tried to sell it. Said to be raced in Germany the following years, there was no information up to 1991, when it came to Auction at Genève (CH) and 1992 at Tokyo (J); was sold to Japan
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Gorza also had SV 1613, motor number 30011, build date 4/21/56
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12-28-2006, 06:24 PM
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1849 with motor 30046 was a SV sold to Pace on 5/3/56. As this car still exists today, still with the SV body, this must be another car.
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Would it be correct then to say the that car 01849 was never made into a SVZ but was and still today a SVA . By the way the owner are a brother and sister from Naple . I had just spoke to them yesterday. I will post pictures of the car when completed.
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Would it be correct then to say the that car 01849 was never made into a SVZ but was and still today a SVA . By the way the owner are a brother and sister from Naple . I had just spoke to them yesterday. I will post pictures of the car when completed.
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BTW, the #1795 painted on the underside coincodes with a SV with motor number 30031, sold 4/20/56 to Luciano Gianni of Genova!!??
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Here is a SVZ for sale, already pictured in this thread without S/N:
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12-29-2006, 10:45 AM
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12-31-2006, 08:24 PM
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Fascinating thread!
Being the keeper of the Veloce Registers, I would like to somehow work off of the BB to coordinate the SV's that were made into SVZ's if that is at all possible to help fill out some of the missing chassis numbers.
There is a nice SS listed on the vdvgrant website I will see if I can get some info and also the SVZ that is also listed into the registers. 
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12-31-2006, 10:55 PM
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Zagato has no list of which chassis they rebodied; I tried YEARS ago. I believe that a fair number of SVs didn't become SVZs until the 70s or 80s. IMO, there are only about 20 real SVZs, including the 1957 and 1958 body styles. I also have never seen a list of what cars were simply SVs and what cars were SVAs. Many entry lists just show sprint or sprint veloce, and some only say giulietta, so you don't know for certain if the car was a coupe, spider, or berlina!
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Re: 2000touringsp – 2 pictures:
19590607 Nürburgring 1000km (D)
No. 80 SVZ #04657 Herbert Schultze/Eberhard Mahle, Berlin/Stuttgart (D), Auto-Wax Berlin, DNF (GT1.3, brakes)
No. 89 SVZ (T. 5081) André Pilette/André Liekens/Jacques Croisier-DNS (B), Equipe Nationale Belge, Bruxelles (B), 32oa, 7cl (GT1.3, DNF, carburettor troubles)
In your first pic of the 1958 Liege-Rome-Liege in post 46 you see a car No. 35 with open passenger door: this is the SVA of Bianchi/Weygaerts (B), a non finisher, probably Lucien Bianchi, the later Le Mans winner and formula 1 driver; Ferrari, Citroen and Alfa hero
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Thank you for your post, it helps a lot to clear entries with VINs.
Edgar Berney’s SVZ does not look like No. 12 at Spa: the Alfa heart seems to be lower, windscreen wipers are on the other side, outside filler cap. Do you have pics of Spa 1959?
Re: Joseph - #01849
As dretceterini notes, what does the number 1795 mean? Real SVs should have a own Bertone number in the engine bay (SVA #04337 has 77468 stamped), but this could have been gone when #01849 was rebodied to SVZ in 1958 or back to SprintNormale. Would be interesting to see a pic of the destroyed car and when it was rebodied to SprintNormale. If you know the owners, please ask them about the history from 1959 up to 2006
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SV #01819, #01849, etc: The production dates and original engines of the first SVAs are listed in the Giulietta book by Anselmi. All 1956 cars should be Alleggerita since the not leightweight Convortevole was introduced as late as September 1957
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I have also lists for SV and SZ
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Sv# 01849
Martinue.
The new owners do not know what happend to the car before. since they found the car in Milan in a police wharehouse with others confiscated cars that were there for many years. the car was a mess, the front was all rusted and damage, the engine was in the trunk with a hole in the block , which has been repair. the body has been repaired with NOS panel left over from Diego Carrara, new front and rear.
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Re: Joseph - #01849
As dretceterini notes, what does the number 1795 mean? Real SVs should have a own Bertone number in the engine bay (SVA #04337 has 77468 stamped),
My 1957 Sprint has a bertone number stamped in the engine bay. Does that make it a SV?
I don't think so!
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Re: dretceterini
SV #01819, #01849, etc: The production dates and original engines of the first SVAs are listed in the Giulietta book by Anselmi. All 1956 cars should be Alleggerita since the not leightweight Convortevole was introduced as late as September 1957
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I believe you are mistaken. The vast majority of 750 sprint veloces, even in 1956, have steel bodies; NOT aluminum, and are not SVAs or confortovales.
The Anselmi list I have simply says "The first 100 giulietta sprint veloces", and NOT "The first 100 sprint veloce LIGHTWEIGHTS" Every car on the list was built in 1956 and the vast majority are steel bodied SVs and NOT SVAs..
Not all confortovales have aluminum bodies, but they all do have a full rear seat. Some of the late ones have 101 motors and transmissions.
As to the number 1795 on the bottom of car S/N 01849, I have no idea why it is there.
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chassis number is 4045 and price is 125000 euros
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Re: gtv2000
Thank you for your post, it helps a lot to clear entries with VINs.
Edgar Berney’s SVZ does not look like No. 12 at Spa: the Alfa heart seems to be lower, windscreen wipers are on the other side, outside filler cap. Do you have pics of Spa 1959?
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