12-24-2007, 09:38 AM
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Andrea:
Thank you for the wonderful X-Mas gift! Now, how about an English langauge version of "La Sport" 
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the main problems are related with translation and editing costs (Giorgio Nada now is Giunti). When the book was written, the late Piero and I thought that the major part of "etceterini" fans necessarily were able, at least, to undestand written italian language. Secondarily, I don't like books in two or more languages (e.g. Automobilia) and two different editions (one in italian, the other one in english language) were judged too expensive and risky (the italian one) by the publisher.
The third and major problem is that the book must be updated because a lot of other informations and pictures were found on minor italian "artigiani"
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Andrea
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12-24-2007, 09:50 AM
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Here is another interesting car (#168) I was able to pull out of the video clip:
I believe it may be Molteni's stock Giulietta SV, the car pictured on page 55 of Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint by Giancarlo Catarsi, with a competition nose modified by Bertone? (if my Italian is anywhere close).
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Now:
'62 Giulietta Sprint
'95 BMW M3
Then:
'69 Lotus Elan S4 SE
'79 Spider Veloce
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12-24-2007, 09:57 AM
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It might be my monitor, but it looks like a VERY light shade of sky blue....
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You may be right, too. In various scenes it can look like all of the above.
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Now:
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'95 BMW M3
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'79 Spider Veloce
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12-24-2007, 10:21 AM
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Yes, car #170..
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166 "Kim" (SVZ Pasqualino Cazzato [his father in law and well known OSCA and Maserati tuner] tuning)
168 Aristodemo Molteni (SV with front modified by himself, not by Bertone). He later modified in the same manner the SS front. Pictures to come. Also Ada Pace used a similarly modified SV, but with external main lights, in the Mille Miglia 1957
175 Carlo Peroglio (SV Conrero tuning)
165 Francesco De Leonibus (Toselli's jellow SVZ [IMHO still] Bosato tuning, later Conrero).
So, by means of the Pace's car, Pietro Facetti knew Conrero's secrets as well as Almo Bosato, IMHO the best italian tuner, presented his recipes to Conrero with the engine of Toselli, 1958 Italian Class Champion.
In 1959 Sergio Pedretti, Kim, passed under Facetti's flag and won the Italian Class Championship.
One more comment: only Bosato was able to obtain the lightest SV (roughly 800kg, 30kg more than the homologated minimum weight of 770kg). Normally a racing SV weighed more than 830kg without fuel. This was the fortune of Elio and Gianni Zagato: Appendix J of the Fifties and early Sixties allowed cars equipped with a special bodywork, mantaining the same minimum homologated weight of the original car
(see http://www.fia.com/resources/documen..._Art_264_a.pdf)
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12-24-2007, 10:58 AM
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170 Ada Pace (SVZ now Facetti tuning after leaving Conrero in Summer)
166 "Kim" (SVZ Pasqualino Cazzato [his father in law and well known OSCA and Maserati tuner] tuning)
168 Aristodemo Molteni (SV with front modified by himself, not by Bertone). He later modified in the same manner the SS front. Pictures to come.
Also Ada Pace used a similarly modified SV, but with external main lights, in the Mille Miglia 1957
175 Carlo Peroglio (SV Conrero tuning)
165 Francesco De Leonibus (Toselli's yellow SVZ [IMHO still] Bosato tuning, later Conrero).
So, by means of the Pace's car, Pietro Facetti knew Conrero's secrets as well as Almo Bosato, IMHO the best Italian tuner, presented his recipes to Conrero with the engine of Toselli, 1958 Italian Class Champion.
In 1959 Sergio Pedretti, Kim, passed under Facetti's flag and won the Italian Class Championship.
One more comment: only Bosato was able to obtain the lightest SV (roughly 800kg, 30kg more than the homologated minimum weight of 770kg).
Normally a racing SV weighed more than 830kg without fuel. This was the fortune of Elio and Gianni Zagato: Appendix J of the Fifties and early Sixties allowed cars equipped with a special bodywork, maintaining the same minimum homologated weight of the original car
(see [url
http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/801651789__Hist_App_J_61_Art_264_a.pdf[/url])
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Thanks in advance for all the photos. Things like this are almost impossible to find here in the US.
There are a handful of "obscure Alfa" and "etceterini" nuts like myself, John DeBoer, Peter Zobian, Cliff Reuter, Dave Mericle Jr., and a few others that buy up everything that we can find if the price is within reason, and sometimes even if it isn't (such as Adriaensen's Fiat 8V book, which is more than what most people can really afford, but is a must to have)
Cliff Reuter has started an "etceterini" website, with the help of some of we American "etceterini" fanatics. I am sure he would very much appreciate your help.
http://ferrariexperts.com/etceterini.htm
Fortunately, I can understand some Italian, French and German, as I lived in Europe most of my life, but most Americans want books ONLY in English. One of the biggest car book stores here in the US, located in Burban, California, will NOT import books in any langauge other than English, so we have to buy them directly from European dealers. As to "La Sport", I think enough copies of a revised "etceterini" book in English could be sold to justify the costs..
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12-24-2007, 11:10 AM
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Stu:
the main problems are related with translation and editing costs (Giorgio Nada now is Giunti). When the book was written, the late Piero and I thought that the major part of "etceterini" fans necessarily were able, at least, to undestand written italian language. Secondarily, I don't like books in two or more languages (e.g. Automobilia) and two different editions (one in italian, the other one in english language) were judged too expensive and risky (the italian one) by the publisher.
The third and major problem is that the book must be updated because a lot of other informations and pictures were found on minor italian "artigiani"
Best Regards
Andrea
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Any realtion to the Giunti from Casa 'dell Auto/Testadoro...or to the later (70s) Alfa driver?
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12-24-2007, 11:34 AM
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Any realtion to the Giunti from Casa 'dell Auto/Testadoro...or to the later (70s) Alfa driver?
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Absolutely no relation with Giorgio (Giusti) of Casa dell'auto and Testadoro fame as well as with the ill fated Ignazio Giunti, well known driver of Giuliettas, Gtas, 33s and, lastly, Ferrari.
Giunti is a big publisher from Florence, but pretty "new" to the automotive sector.
Speaking about the Italian market and related difficulties, Automobilia, for example, is anymore existing and so on...
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12-24-2007, 03:44 PM
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168 Aristodemo Molteni (SV with front modified by himself, not by Bertone). He later modified in the same manner the SS front.
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12-24-2007, 04:29 PM
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Stu:
Absolutely no relation with Giorgio (Giusti) of Casa dell'auto and Testadoro fame as well as with the ill fated Ignazio Giunti, well known driver of Giuliettas, Gtas, 33s and, lastly, Ferrari.
Giunti is a big publisher from Florence, but pretty "new" to the automotive sector.
Speaking about the Italian market and related difficulties, Automobilia, for example, is anymore existing and so on...
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Andrea: Of course I meant Giusti and not Giunti in realtion to Casa 'dell Auto/Testadoro. I am getting old, and my mind does not work as well as it once did. 
I did not know that Nada sold his business, or that Automobilia has gone out of business completely. Does Nada still own Libreria 'dell Automobile, or did he sell that too? I have never been a big fan of Nada. Doing business with him was always difficult for me. I would go to Libreria 'dell Automobile, buy $2000 or more worth of books, than have to wait 6 months for them to arrive.
The situation is similar here in the US. Today, there are only 3 or 4 companies publishing car books. There are only 4 or 5 good stores for car books in the entire US, and all but one of them NOT import anything that is not in English (or English plus some other language)! Most of the books on obscure American cars are self-published today.
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12-24-2007, 11:18 PM
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Very interesting information. Could the SS you mention be the car Mcfee65 tried to identify in this thread? |
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12-24-2007, 11:24 PM
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Andrea: Of course I meant Giusti and not Giunti in realtion to Casa 'dell Auto/Testadoro. I am getting old, and my mind does not work as well as it once did.
I did not know that Nada sold his business, or that Automobilia has gone out of business completely. Does Nada still own Libreria 'dell Automobile, or did he sell that too? I have never been a big fan of Nada. Doing business with him was always difficult for me. I would go to Libreria 'dell Automobile, buy $2000 or more worth of books, than have to wait 6 months for them to arrive.
The situation is similar here in the US. Today, there are only 3 or 4 companies publishing car books. There are only 4 or 5 good stores for car books in the entire US, and all but one of them NOT import anything that is not in English (or English plus some other language)! Most of the books on obscure American cars are self-published today. |
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12-25-2007, 06:40 AM
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SVZ #02308 (post #261)
Ruggiero's 1959 Targa car (race no. 32) is the 1960 Samona/Dracula car (no. 58) and not Natella's no. 32. The 1960 Natella car (registered SA 38082, dark paint) is due gobbe, just like the later Covino car (NA 173748, bright paint).
The 19581104 Coppa Sant' Ambroeus lists:
No. 170 Ada Pace 1oa; No. 166 Kim 2oa; No. 168 Aristide?/Aristodemo? Molteni 3oa; No. 175 Peroglio 4oa; No. 165 De Leonibus 5oa; No. 167 Rocco Lanzini DNF?
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12-25-2007, 08:55 AM
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SVZ #02308 (post #261)
Ruggiero's 1959 Targa car (race no. 32) is the 1960 Samona/Dracula car (no. 58) and not Natella's no. 32. The 1960 Natella car (registered SA 38082, dark paint) is due gobbe, just like the later Covino car (NA 173748, bright paint).
The 19581104 Coppa Sant' Ambroeus lists:
No. 170 Ada Pace 1oa; No. 166 Kim 2oa; No. 168 Aristide?/Aristodemo? Molteni 3oa; No. 175 Peroglio 4oa; No. 165 De Leonibus 5oa; No. 167 Rocco Lanzini DNF?
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I would like to write "#04458 on 19600206 was sold to Clelia Rossi...". See page 144 of the cited book and the related Pra documents published.
The results published by "Auto italiana" end with De Leonibus.
I will check Csai monthly bulletin for complete results on the beginning of January.
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